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Cancel culture IRL

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d4m10n said:
The analogous statement re: cancel culture would be something like "Cancellations facilitated by online shaming gone viral are invariably immoral." Since I've never made anything even approaching such a claim, it’s rather odd that you'd attribute an analogous claim to me in particular.
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No because you never make a claim, just vague allusions.

Don't get pissy with me because I have to guess what you are actually saying.

You respond to things that nobody is actually saying and then try to play the victim when people respond to it. Stop it.

For the 50th billionth time what are you worried about? What problem are we trying to solve THAT'S ACTUALLY UNIQUE TO WHAT YOU ARE CALLING "CANCEL CULTURE."
 
JoeMorgue said:
What problem are we trying to solve THAT'S ACTUALLY UNIQUE TO WHAT YOU ARE CALLING "CANCEL CULTURE."
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Here you go:
d4m10n said:
...the issue has been summed up thusly: "[A]n intolerance of opposing views, a vogue for public shaming and ostracism, and the tendency to dissolve complex policy issues in a blinding moral certainty."
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These problems have always been with us, of course, but it is easier than ever to publicly perform shaming and ostracism at someone whom we've never personally encountered. I don't have to look far to see it happening even in my own hometown.
 
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d4m10n said:
Here you go:
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And you just jumped right over that "unique" modifier like that word wasn't even there.

People have been doing that since time began and it didn't need a new scary name.

Again you're just butthurt that the "wrong" people are doing what people have always done.
 
Darat said:
That isn’t unique to so called “cancel culture”, its the same human behaviour we’ve recorded since records began!
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LOUDER FOR PEOPLE IN THE BACK.

Maybe if you say it he'll actually listen and respond to it.
 
JoeMorgue said:
And how exactly a bunch of young people talking on the internet to promote a progressive value is any more or less of a "Mob" than a bunch of old people writing letters to the editor to promote a conservative value just aggressively remains unanswered.
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Oh that's easy. The difference is that it works. Because there are power in numbers.

Old people writing letters to a newspapers ends up being basically ineffective.

So that's the difference.

That doesn't mean that old people writing to newspapers don't WANT to cancel anyone, so they are the same in that way. The old people are just bitter that they can't succeed.
 
Darat said:
That isn’t unique to so called “cancel culture”, its the same human behaviour we’ve recorded since records began!
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Who said that "cancel culture" has to refer to something new? Just because the rise of the phrase is fairly new (circa 2017) doesn't mean the collection of behaviours has to be.

JoeMorgue said:
And you just jumped right over that "unique" modifier like that word wasn't even there.

People have been doing that since time began and it didn't need a new scary name.
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Unique doesn't mean the same thing as new, and I don't get why you think the name is scary.

JoeMorgue said:
Again you're just butthurt that the "wrong" people are doing what people have always done.
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If you're personalizing, you're probably not persuading.
 
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d4m10n said:
Who said that "cancel culture" has to refer to something new?
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Nobody. But if your entire argument is that you've just arbitrarily and for no (admitted) reason decided to call this one type of social pressure a new scary name, expect to be called on that for being absolute nonsense and having an ulterior motive.

So that's the excuse you're going to try to play off now? "What I never said it was different, I just started using a new name to refer to it for absolutely no reason!"

Yeah nobody believes that.
 
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Yes, we get it. It's not "canceling" that is the problem, it's that the WRONG PEOPLE are being canceled that is the real issue.
 
Darat said:
That isn’t unique to so called “cancel culture”, its the same human behaviour we’ve recorded since records began!
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The rather massive difference being a few people even being aware, and social media reaching millions. That's what makes CC different: volume produces dramatically different response.
 
Thermal said:
The rather massive difference being a few people even being aware, and social media reaching millions. That's what makes CC different: volume produces dramatically different response.
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How is that possibly a bad or scary thing?

"More people have an equal voice" is only scary if you're just a default contrarian troll or scared that you might lose your unfair advantage in a system.

I'm sorry social pressure is moving more toward the popular vote and away from the electoral college. Deal with it.
 
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JoeMorgue said:
But if your entire argument is that you've just arbitrarily and for no (admitted) reason decided to call this one type of social pressure a new scary name, expect to be called on that for being absolute nonsense and having an ulterior motive.
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I didn't coin the phrase nor did I popularize the phrase, and I've already provided you with several examples of those who did. Have you provided an argument as to why we ought to be using a different (perhaps more widely-used) phrase to describe the same phenomenon?
 
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d4m10n said:
I didn't coin the phrase nor did I popularize the phrase, and I've already provided you with several examples of those who did. Have you provided an argument as to why we ought to be using a different (perhaps more widely-used) phrase to describe the same phenomenon?
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Oh sod off. Take that burden of proof and point it right back at yourself there buddy. You don't get to reverse it.
 
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Thermal said:
The rather massive difference being a few people even being aware, and social media reaching millions. That's what makes CC different: volume produces dramatically different response.
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Yea this is supposed to be a right that only the powerful can exorcise. It is outrageous that plebs can do it!
 
d4m10n said:
I'm more than content that you choose to refrain from using this phrase. If you want me to do so as well, feel free to make an argument.
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I'm not trying to stop you. I'm trying to prove to other people that your argument is stupid.

I'm not arguing for your benefit. And you aren't arguing, you're putting on an act.

Don't play games with me. Go down your own rabbit hole if you want.
 
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d4m10n said:
I didn't coin the phrase nor did I popularize the phrase, and I've already provided you with several examples of those who did. Have you provided an argument as to why we ought to be using a different (perhaps more widely-used) phrase to describe the same phenomenon?
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He already did. The people who popularized the phrase and the most common usage refers to a NEW and inherently problematic, unjust, phenomenon. The common usage refers to things that plainly put are not true. This is why people keep harping on it not being new. Further the common usage is mainly employed in 'othering' to show that the speaker is not part of this 'culture' when the underlying phenomenon is near universal.

You can't dance in and out of common use and underlying phenomenon to justify the phrase. You take it as used and defend all those parts or you don't defend the phrase and only address the underlying phenomenon.
 
The "LOL I'm just going to randomly decide to be worried about this one thing and never explain why it's this one thing I'm worried about" routine has been recognized for what it is, so people can now stop performing it.
 
d4m10n said:
Who said that "cancel culture" has to refer to something new? Just because the rise of the phrase is fairly new (circa 2017) doesn't mean the collection of behaviours has to be.

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Because of the use of words and phrases signifying it is something new therefore we need to do something, read the start of this thread for examples.
 
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