Cancel culture IRL

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SuburbanTurkey said:
I did.

It strikes me as an absurdly broad definition. Does cancel culture, to your eye, mean any kind of attempt to enforce social norms?
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I'm not really comfortable with your continued hounding of d4m10n about his posting of this video. I think you may be trying to cancel him.
 
d4m10n said:
Seems weird that RedStapler won't go so far as to say whether that fake quote was intended as a characterization of what actually happened or not.
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Seems weird that you are still trying to set up a cheap gotcha even if everyone is perfectly aware of what you are doing :rolleyes:
 
RedStapler said:
Seems weird that you are still trying to set up a cheap gotcha even if everyone is perfectly aware of what you are doing
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Either you believe the words you typed between quotation marks at #330 or else you meant to imply that someone else believes it to be true. Doesn't really matter to me much either way, but you could surely be much less obscure than you are being at present.

1a) Why do you believe the mob was shouting at the woman in the pink blouse?

1b) If unsure, do you have a best guess?
 
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d4m10n said:
Either you believe the words you typed between quotation marks at #330 or else you meant to imply that someone else believes it to be true. Doesn't really matter to me much either way, but you could surely be much less obscure than you are being at present.

1a) Why do you believe the mob was shouting at the woman in the pink blouse?

1b) If unsure, do you have a best guess?
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They have read your posts in this forum, they think the woman is a friend of yours and they are urging her to tell you to stop the cheap gotchas.
 
Fellas, is it cancel culture to cross state lines to commit a double murder against anti-police protesters?

Asking for a friend.
 
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SuburbanTurkey said:
How is this story of a lady getting yelled at newsworthy?
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I doubt that it is newsworthy, except possibly for the local stations in D.C.

It does, however, seem like a good example of what happens when a righteous mob feels empowered to coerce an individual to adopt and affirm their beliefs.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
I see a mob, but no lynching.

This lady got shouted at. Not a pleasant experience, I'm sure, but I see no lingering injury.
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I'm rolling up a response that is addressing several of your posts here. You say this doesn't seem newsworthy, and that this lady has no injury, essentially implying that it's no big deal, she's fine.

Yet... in the "punching people on the tube" thread, you seemed to take the stance that a single loudmouthed jerk making nasty comments to a few people was both newsworthy and was threatening enough to justify the target of his bad behavior taking physical action against him.

It seems like you feel one guy yelling at three guys is sufficient threat for those three guys to physically assault him... but you simultaneously feel that dozens of people yelling directly into the face of one lone woman and blocking her in is... no big deal?

How do you reconcile those views?
 
Darat said:
Earlier when I mentioned the likes of pressure groups I thought you were saying cancel culture is different, but I'm thinking you are in fact saying it is the same behaviour we've always had?

What do you want to happen in regards to " cancel culture"? Do you want some components of that behaviour to made illegal? For private companies like Twitter and Facebook to not their platforms for people to protest? And so on?
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Darat, do you read my posts at all? Or do you ignore me, personally? Just asking because...

Emily's Cat said:
This doesn't follow. I'm having a bit of trouble putting my thoughts into words here, so bear with me. It's kind of like looking at a case of a fundamentalist killing an abortion doctor, then saying "Since you think criminal behavior is somehow related to "religious fundamentalism" - which parts of "religious fundamentalism" do you want to see criminalized"? It's missing a lot of steps in between.

I think part of the point that is being missed here is that "cancel culture", no matter what you call it, encourages and opens the door to criminal behavior: threats, violence, vandalism, coercion. Those actions are already criminal, and should be dealt with appropriately. Part of the problem though is that a lot of those actions (threats and coercion) happen on line in an anonymous fashion. Even some of the RL actions have a veneer of anonymity to them - the people shooting at the cop and his family don't have a personal connection to him, they're just some rando from the internet most likely. Which makes it incredibly difficult for the police to pursue.

It's not that "cancel culture" needs to be criminalized at all. It's that it needs to be acknowledged as a behavior that increases the probability of anonymous criminal behavior, that has real world consequences for the targets including emotional trauma as well as loss of livelihood and potential violence, and that it should be discouraged.
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You seem to tap-dance around the issue, and you keep circling back to questions that have already been answered. You keep responding as if people are saying "cancel culture" is something brand new and totally different, even though it's been repeatedly acknowledged that witch hunts and mob retaliation have been around forever and have never been a good thing. The anonymity involved in the behavior today amplifies the effect and makes it worse. Just because the behavior has happened before doesn't make it okay, and I cannot understand your persistent attempts to just sweep it under the rug as being no big deal.

You also keep tiliting at the windmill of "what parts of cancel culture do you think need to be criminalized or made illegal" even though that has been responded to many times.
 
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Darat said:
OK, so we can have an actual discussion please tell me your definition of cancel culture.
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I'd say it's any subculture which normalizes efforts to modify behavior in the following way:

d4m10n said:
A large group of people unaffected by the events in question (e.g. at a particular Kroger) piling on in order to influence cultural norms. Often paired w/ demands for a particular employee to be reprimanded, suspended, or sacked.
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The woman in the pink blouse is not a victim of an attempted cancellation (yet) but she did have a rather unpleasant encounter with call-out culture in the form of a spontaneous struggle sessionWP at a sidewalk cafe.
 
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