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Cont: Cancel culture IRL Part 2

It's child-like.


And very late 1980s/early 1990s PC, I occasionally run across things in second hand shops that suggest that the ideas that make up 'Cancel/Censorship Culture' date from at least that far back.



I found a commentary on Freddie DeBoers substack where they are looking at a 1994 'Official Politically Correct Dictionary and Handbook' and the parallels with what is occurring now are definitely interesting.


A church book sale in my Toronto neighborhood had The Official Politically Correct Dictionary and Handbook, the updated 1994 edition of Henry Beard and Christopher Cerf’s popular 1992 book. I always gravitate to books like that, to see whether there is in fact anything new in this world, and to remind myself that the (overly simplistic) answer is no. (See also the 1995 compendium, Debating Sexual Correctness. The #MeToo discourse existed prior to #MeToo, and indeed prior to discourse.) Also, we’re living through a kind of 1990s revival, fueled I suspect by nostalgia for pre-Covid, pre-9/11 times, or maybe just by teenagers’ timeless desire to dress the way everyone did 30 years earlier.

The front cover of the PC dictionary book shows a man, woman, and dog, affixed with labels such as “hair disadvantaged” (he’s bald), “woman of noncolor” (she’s white) and “nonhuman animal companion” (is shaggy dog). All three, though especially the woman and the dog, would not be out of place in a 2022 farmers market. (Again, cyclical fashions.)

The back cover bears a warning, “Be sensitive or else!,” with the follow-up, “Welcome to the nineties. But you better watch what you say. If you’re not politically correct, not even your pet—oops, your animal companion*—will love you anymore.” Beard’s author bio begins, “Although Henry Beard is a typical product of elitist educational institutions and a beneficiary of a number of negative action programs, he has struggled to overcome his many severe privileges.” Cerf’s: “Christopher Cerf is a melanin-impoverished, temporarily abled, straight, half-Anglo-, half-Jewish-American male.” Privilege disclaimers, in the early 1990s! I had to have it.


https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/is-woke-just-pc-with-faster-internet
 
The coffee shop was in the red for its entire existence, as you well know. And coffee shops that can't pay the bills and close aren't cancelled.

Yes the first part is true as a business Mina's World was doomed to failure right from the start were it not for the good graces of bear old mom. It's when the workers went full retard and mom decided to pull her support and leave the business to it's own devices that forced the closure. But you know this, right? I't been covered extensively ITT.
 

That was a fun read. I remember all that stuff and very few people took it seriously and tended to make jokes about it. Hey, I need to have my lawyer fax your lawyer a consent to sexual intercourse form before we can proceed. That sort of thing. Very few people lived PC as a lifestyle and most that did were relatively isolated from one another and knew the general public didn't really take the seriously. Sure we got terms like firefighter and letter carrier out of the era but..so what? No big deal

Now, it's all about maximizing online outrage and virtue signalling and someone can actually live PC/wokeness as a lifestyle...online. I don't know any woksters IRL however I have seen a few people try to use their victim status as a weapon, to their advantage. It's pretty rare though.

Blast from the past? I got blast from the past.

Sensitive New Age Guy-Christine Lavin-YouTube link.
 
Yes, it is all the same thing. Just different words for using the fact that some people abuse or take advantage of a good idea to discredit the entire idea.
 
Yes the first part is true as a business Mina's World was doomed to failure right from the start were it not for the good graces of bear old mom. It's when the workers went full retard and mom decided to pull her support and leave the business to it's own devices that forced the closure. But you know this, right? I't been covered extensively ITT.
Still waiting for you to support that claim.....
:rolleyes:
 
The saga of Mina's World has been extensively documented ITT....scroll up.:thumbsup:
:rolleyes:
If by "documented" you mean you've linked to various right-wing websites all using suspiciously similar phrasing.
Try again. With facts.
 
Yes the first part is true as a business Mina's World was doomed to failure right from the start were it not for the good graces of bear old mom. It's when the workers went full retard and mom decided to pull her support and leave the business to it's own devices that forced the closure. But you know this, right? I't been covered extensively ITT.

Yes, I know full well that Mina's World was never, ever a viable business. And businesses that aren't viable cease to be businesses usually pretty quickly. Most of the time, this is seen as "business failure", but in this case those with an ideological ax to grind have tried to present it as a cancellation.

Again, when your best example of cancel culture is a failed coffee shop that never earned enough to pay the bills, you're showing us all that you don't have a good example of cancel culture.
 
Yes, I know full well that Mina's World was never, ever a viable business. And businesses that aren't viable cease to be businesses usually pretty quickly. Most of the time, this is seen as "business failure", but in this case those with an ideological ax to grind have tried to present it as a cancellation.

Again, when your best example of cancel culture is a failed coffee shop that never earned enough to pay the bills, you're showing us all that you don't have a good example of cancel culture.

Most business don't have an angel investor who pull their support upon being attacked by the employees of the business their backing. Now were you going to make a case that the events WRT Mina's World didn't unfold as presented or are we going to keep on with the gibberish?

My best example of cancel culture? I know it was over 6 weeks ago but paying attention to who introduced what isn't really all that difficult. Doc Marie's, I was the one who introduced Doc Marie's and it's parallels to the Mina's World story using a link that appears to have the ability of utterly shattering delicate constitutions.

Speaking of Doc Marie's, there's some new information that may be used to poke holes in the narrative we were originally presented with. Gotta love new information. :)
 
Most business don't have an angel investor who pull their support upon being attacked by the employees of the business their backing. Now were you going to make a case that the events WRT Mina's World didn't unfold as presented or are we going to keep on with the gibberish?

Most businesses who don't have a viable business model or money themselves absolutely have an investor, otherwise they'd never open their doors in the first place. But here, outside your conservative bubble, an investor deciding to stop supporting a business that has demonstrated an inability to make enough to pay the bills is still a business failure, not your square peg in a round hole of "cancel culture".

My best example of cancel culture? I know it was over 6 weeks ago but paying attention to who introduced what isn't really all that difficult. Doc Marie's, I was the one who introduced Doc Marie's and it's parallels to the Mina's World story using a link that appears to have the ability of utterly shattering delicate constitutions.

Speaking of Doc Marie's, there's some new information that may be used to poke holes in the narrative we were originally presented with. Gotta love new information. :)

Oh, so your best example of cancel culture is a business that wasn't cancelled, while d4m10n's best example was a business that wasn't economically viable going under. Well, that's just so much more impressive! Oh, wait...it's just more of you guys claiming anything and everything is cancel culture even if it's a bog-standard failed restaurant or even if it's a bar that is still open for business, isn't it?
 
Most businesses who don't have a viable business model or money themselves absolutely have an investor, otherwise they'd never open their doors in the first place. But here, outside your conservative bubble, an investor deciding to stop supporting a business that has demonstrated an inability to make enough to pay the bills is still a business failure, not your square peg in a round hole of "cancel culture".



Oh, so your best example of cancel culture is a business that wasn't cancelled, while d4m10n's best example was a business that wasn't economically viable going under. Well, that's just so much more impressive! Oh, wait...it's just more of you guys claiming anything and everything is cancel culture even if it's a bog-standard failed restaurant or even if it's a bar that is still open for business, isn't it?

Mina's World would have run forever as a labor of love on the back of dear old mom's purse strings had it not been for the Marxsist revolution that caused it's cancellation. Doc Marie's managed to uncancel itself by fighting off a hostile takeover attempt. Both were cancelled by actions launched via social media so the cancel culture criteria is met. It's really that easy.
 
Mina's World would have run forever as a labor of love on the back of dear old mom's purse strings had it not been for the Marxsist revolution that caused it's cancellation. Doc Marie's managed to uncancel itself by fighting off a hostile takeover attempt. Both were cancelled by actions launched via social media so the cancel culture criteria is met. It's really that easy.

In an alternate universe that failed business whose sole investor said started out being a unviable business and never improved would never have decided to stop throwing away money. The fact that the investor decided to stop throwing away money on a failed business in this one shouldn't factor into whether or not the one in the alternate universe was cancelled!!!one11!

And in that alternate universe a brand new bar was cancelled, so you can't say just because it wasn't cancelled in this one it isn't cancel culture!

In my conservative fact free universe you can't use evidence that businesses weren't cancelled to determine if they fit "cancel culture", all you need to do is really want "cancel culture" to be this existential crisis, then claim anything you want is "cancel culture", then use your claims that whatever random stuff you claimed are cancellations as proof that they're cancel culture! Assuming your conclusions is the way!
 
In an alternate universe that failed business whose sole investor said started out being a unviable business and never improved would never have decided to stop throwing away money. The fact that the investor decided to stop throwing away money on a failed business in this one shouldn't factor into whether or not the one in the alternate universe was cancelled!!!one11!

And in that alternate universe a brand new bar was cancelled, so you can't say just because it wasn't cancelled in this one it isn't cancel culture!

In my conservative fact free universe you can't use evidence that businesses weren't cancelled to determine if they fit "cancel culture", all you need to do is really want "cancel culture" to be this existential crisis, then claim anything you want is "cancel culture", then use your claims that whatever random stuff you claimed are cancellations as proof that they're cancel culture! Assuming your conclusions is the way!


Wow, that is one weird post. These woke on woke cancellations must be really tough to take. We don't need alternative universes to understand mom financing a failure of a business out of love, or need one to describe them as "existential crises". I think someone needs a nice cup of tea.
 
Oh, so your best example of cancel culture is a business that wasn't cancelled, while d4m10n's best example was a business that wasn't economically viable going under.
No one asked me for my best example.

(Of course, it's not an interesting edge case, since we can all agree that death threats aren't exactly kosher halal.)

ETA: In almost completely unrelated news, looks like another new cancellation is incoming:
https://whyevolutionistrue.com/2022...loughby-a-fight-to-remove-her-from-wikipedia/
 
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Wow, that is one weird post. These woke on woke cancellations must be really tough to take. We don't need alternative universes to understand mom financing a failure of a business out of love, or need one to describe them as "existential crises". I think someone needs a nice cup of tea.

No, someone just wants your examples of cancel culture IRL to involve cancellations rather than business failures. Or cancellations rather than still running fine like your favorite example. A real cancellation that actually happened in real life would really go a long way further for those of you desperate to imagine "woke on woke cancellations" being common, a crisis, whatever.
 
No one asked me for my best example.

Well, if you're choosing to go with the weak tea podcasts breaking up or run of the mill coffee shop failure rather than your best example, I guess your failure to convince anyone that cancel culture IRL is a real thing worth worrying about is your own fault, isn't it?

(Of course, it's not an interesting edge case, since we can all agree that death threats aren't exactly kosher halal.)

I'm not entirely sure that religious extremists threatening death or torture is "cancel culture". It's certainly not a new phenomenon, and appears to be far, far less of a thing in modern times than it used to be. Otherwise, we're forced to include Galileo and Joan of Arc in your "cancel culture" and that seems a stretch.

ETA: In almost completely unrelated news, looks like another new cancellation is incoming:
https://whyevolutionistrue.com/2022...loughby-a-fight-to-remove-her-from-wikipedia/

Oh my, losing such a well paid gig as having a wikipedia page must be a blow! It's a shame that she only has multiple web pages selling her art work, and multiple scholarly publications as well!
 
Have you ever witnessed or read about an incident which you'd be entirely sure *is* "cancel culture," though?

Not from you or Stout, the major proponents in this thread. Perhaps you actually have better examples but are just continuing to post crap ones that don't really fit as a strategy, though. Maybe waiting until this goes to part 3, or part 4, then popping in with something that wasn't run of the mill creative differences or a business model doomed to fail from the beginning, and laughing maniacally as we all finally accept that despite it all you were right all along....and then everybody clapped.
 
Not from you or Stout, the major proponents in this thread.
How about outside of this thread?

I don't have the sense that you think the phrase "cancel culture" refers to anything which has actually happened, anywhere, at any time.
 

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