Canada Seal Slaughter begins

ClintonHammond said:
"Yes, he does."
Then 'he' has zero clue about what a dog-eat-dog world it is. He's concerns and opinions are therefor irrelevant.

Ever seen what a polar bear does to a baby seal? Makes what humans do to them look like heavy petting... (Or do you honestly believe the BS that child-friendly nature shows try to tell people about 'prey' animals not feeling the pain of being taken down? HA!)

But I suppose we aughta ban polar bears too eh?
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Please don't tell me you're now comparing humans to polar bears...

Humans are intelligent enough to determine right from wrong, therefore humans have more responsibility to treat others better.

As far as polar bears go, Are polar bears slaughtering seals by the millions for something as trivial as their fur? No. Polar bears EAT seals.

If this "hunt" was limited to a small group of natives simply hunting(in a humane way) the seals for their meat and not exploiting them for their fur then I would not oppose it. But that's not the case.
 
Oh, he'll argue that because predators hunt prey doesn't mean that humans should. He wants us to be "better" than other animal species. This is my prediction.
 
Dustin said:
And the veterinary report of the Canadian seal hunt disagrees with that.
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Where is this report?

Dustin said:
http://www.seashepherd.org/seals/seals_seal_hunt_facts.html
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Oh yeah, Sea Sheperd. Now that's a reliable source.

Dustin said:
Anyone who resorts to bashing seals to death is obviously too stupid to get a real Job.
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The seal culling is just for a few days, otherwise these people have 'normal' jobs.

But I don't see the point in continuing this discussion. You've made up your mind and are immune to argument.

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thaiboxerken said:
Oh, he'll argue that because predators hunt prey doesn't mean that humans should. He wants us to be "better" than other animal species. This is my prediction.
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Humans aren't? Humans don't have more responsibility? If a male lion kills another's cubs does that mean it's OK for me to kill someones children? You frequently put yourself into these logical corners when you say things as nonsensical as that.
 
Ryokan said:
Where is this report?
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I linked it twice.



Ryokan said:
Oh yeah, Sea Sheperd. Now that's a reliable source.
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Absolutely.


Ryokan said:
The seal culling is just for a few days, otherwise these people have 'normal' jobs.

But I don't see the point in continuing this discussion. You've made up your mind and are immune to argument.

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You've realized how wrong you are to endorse the wholesale inhumane slaughter of millions of innocent seals and now you're backing out with that excuse to safe face.
 
Good call, that prediction... but he's wrong.

Humans are just another predator, like it or not.

"Humans are intelligent enough to determine right from wrong"
Bull.... Just look at what they do to EACH OTHER!

I suggest you come down off your high horse and try living in the real world for a while... You'll discover that it's ugly, covered in its own blood and feces, smells horrible, often eats its own young and still beats hell outa any of the alternatives. Especially alternatives suggested by people in the Fluffy Bunny valley, where sunshine and laughter are born on cotton-candy clouds.

"something as trivial as their fur"
Ever worn seal-fur? It's FN sweet! And to paraphrase someone, you think if the roles were reversed they wouldn't be wearing OUR pelts?!?!? Yer damn right they would.

Cause that's how the world works.

"If a male lion kills another's cubs does that mean it's OK for me to kill someones children?"
Lions don't have laws.... We do... and the law says it's o.k. to cull seal populations from time to time for a variety of good reasons. (Actually lions do have laws of a sort... and their laws say it's o.k. for males to occasionally kill cubs so that the female goes into heat again, so the male can keep HIS genes alive... Human sperm does a similar thing inside a womans body as a matter of fact.... but let me guess, that's o.k. because you didn't KNOW about it right?)
 
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Here's a quote from the study you linked...

An interval of 54 s elapsed from the time that this seal was shot and wounded to the time that the bleeding and skinning process started. In the other case, an interval of 18 s elapsed between the 1st blow, hooking the seal in order to pull it away from the edge of the ice floe, and the 2nd or multiple blows. Three seals were clearly shot and subsequently lost. A large proportion (87%) of the sealers recorded on the 4 videotapes failed to palpate the skull or check the corneal reflex before proceeding to hook or bleed the seal or go to another seal.
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Here's the IFAW summary on the so called "humane slaughter" of the seals.

www.ifaw.org/ifaw/dimages/custom/2_Publications/Seals/seals_vet_report_review.pdf
 
A Report of the Independent Veterinarians’ Working Group on the Canadian Harp Seal Hunt

This report was paid for by the WWF, an organization not exactly in the seal hunters' pockets. It states:

Perception of the seal hunt seems to be based largely on emotion, and on visual images that are often difficult even for experienced observers to interpret with certainty. While a hakapik strike on the skull of a seal appears brutal, it is humane if it achieves rapid, irreversible loss of consciousness leading to death.
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"millions of innocent seals"
Innocent of what?!?!?

"Perception of the seal hunt seems to be based largely on emotion"
When intelligence fails or is lacking, that's all some people have to go on.
 
ClintonHammond said:
Good call, that prediction... but he's wrong.

Humans are just another predator, like it or not.

"Humans are intelligent enough to determine right from wrong"
Bull.... Just look at what they do to EACH OTHER!
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Humans do bad things. However those bad things are NOT justified. We recognize them as being BAD things. Humans don't have more responsibility? If a male lion kills another's cubs does that mean it's OK for me to kill someones children? You frequently put yourself into these logical corners when you say things as nonsensical as that.


ClintonHammond said:
I suggest you come down off your high horse and try living in the real world for a while... You'll discover that it's ugly, covered in its own blood and feces, smells horrible, often eats its own young and still beats hell outa any of the alternatives. Especially alternatives suggested by people in the Fluffy Bunny valley, where sunshine and laughter are born on cotton-candy clouds.
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Your logic is inherently flawed and laughably absurd. You're arguing that because the world is a rough place that's not a reason to try to improve it? Yes, Tell that to the Lincolns, Washington's or MLK's of the world.

They would of laughed at you just like I'm laughing at you.


ClintonHammond said:
"something as trivial as their fur"
Ever worn seal-fur? It's FN sweet! And to paraphrase someone, you think if the roles were reversed they wouldn't be wearing OUR pelts?!?!? Yer damn right they would.

Cause that's how the world works.
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Good grief does your nonsense have no end? It's "FN sweet" to wear seal fur? Really now? I think it's absolutely disgusting and many people agree with me. Anyone who wears it disgusts me.

Moreover, Seals have no need for human pets. Humans have no need for seal pelts.

"That's how the world works"? It seems to me you don't have a clue how the world works.

You're advocating the inhumane slaughter of millions of innocent seals.
Your arguments make absolutely no sense.
Just a few minutes ago you told me to commit suicide.

You sure do know how the world works eh?:rolleyes:
 
ClintonHammond said:
"If a male lion kills another's cubs does that mean it's OK for me to kill someones children?"
Lions don't have laws.... We do... and the law says it's o.k. to cull seal populations from time to time for a variety of good reasons. (Actually lions do have laws of a sort... and their laws say it's o.k. for males to occasionally kill cubs so that the female goes into heat again, so the male can keep HIS genes alive... Human sperm does a similar thing inside a womans body as a matter of fact.... but let me guess, that's o.k. because you didn't KNOW about it right?)
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So laws determine what is right or wrong? That's what you're arguing now?!?!? Good grief...

Humans have laws, yes. However laws do NOT determine what is right or wrong. I'm not asking a legal question here. Assume for instance that I live in a country that allows me to murder someone else's children. Does that make it right? I say absolutely not. By your own logic you must admit it is right, Which shows a major flaw in your logic.
 
How touching are your concerns from the sunny caribbean Dustin. :rolleyes:
This is how people have traditionally partially made do in the nasty north.
Have you ever spent a winter on the rock? I thought not.
Mind your own business.
 
ClintonHammond said:
"millions of innocent seals"
Innocent of what?!?!?
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Of ANYTHING.

ClintonHammond said:
"Perception of the seal hunt seems to be based largely on emotion"
When intelligence fails or is lacking, that's all some people have to go on.
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I have all of the logic backing me up to begin with. However there's nothing wrong with emotional reasons not to do something.
 
The don't 'slaughter millions'.... Innocent of anything?!?! Tell that to the cod they slaughter....

As is said above, your 'arguments' are at least 20-30 years out of date....

-I- disgust you? good. That's your problem, not mine.


"that's not a reason to try to improve it?"
Culling the seal population improves a lot of things.. they have been listed over and over in this thread.... You can't see them because it's like playing chess with a pigeon.... You just knock over the pieces, carp all over the board and then fly away and tell your fellow pigeons that you beat a human at chess....
 
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pchams said:
How touching are your concerns from the sunny caribbean Dustin. :rolleyes:
This is how people have traditionally partially made do in the nasty north.
Have you ever spent a winter on the rock? I thought not.
Mind your own business.
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What "people"? The entire seal hunt is done by a few hundred fishermen. Most Canadians oppose the Seal hunt. There is absolutely no valid reason for the hunt and it serves no viable purpose other than that for the individual fishermen who can't hack real work so they decide to hack seals to death instead.

Mind MY own business? It is my business. The world is my business. If I see something being done that I know is wrong then I will speak up.

Hey, Have you ever been to Darfur? Do you oppose the systematic rape and slaughter of the people there by the Janjaweed? Why? You don't know how things are done in Sudan! That's how they "make do". Mind your own business!

Your logic(or lack thereof) is absolutely laughable.
 
ClintonHammond said:
The don't 'slaughter millions'.... and innocent of what?

As is said above, your 'arguments' are at least 20-30 years out of date....

-I- disgust you? good. That's your problem, not mine.


"that's not a reason to try to improve it?"
Culling the seal population improves a lot of things.. they have been listed over and over in this thread.... You can't see them because it's like playing chess with a pigeon.... You just knock over the pieces, carp all over the board and then fly away and tell your fellow pigeons that you beat a human at chess....
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  1. Learn to quote.
  2. Read my posts I've addressed all of that already.
  3. THE LINKS THAT WERE POSTED AGAINST ME ACTUALLY AGREE WITH THE FACT THAT THERE IS NO NEED TO 'CULL' THE SEAL POPULATIONS!.
 
Did you have a valid argument, Dustin, or is ad-nauseum your preferred tactic for debate?
 
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