Canada Seal Slaughter begins

[armageddonman]

"Yes, he does."
Then 'he' has zero clue about what a dog-eat-dog world it is. He's concerns and opinions are therefor irrelevant.

Ever seen what a polar bear does to a baby seal? Makes what humans do to them look like heavy petting... (Or do you honestly believe the BS that child-friendly nature shows try to tell people about 'prey' animals not feeling the pain of being taken down? HA!)

But I suppose we aughta ban polar bears too eh?

Carnivores cannot choose not to eat meat and survice. Humans can.

Besides, Humans kill animals for all kinds of puropses besides meat consuption. The seals are specifically killed for their fur, not their meat.

Therefore, your argument is a fallacy.

 

[Lonewulf]

Carnivores cannot choose not to eat meat and survice. Humans can.

Naw, we can't. We're animals, therefore we have no choice whatsoever. Totally unassailable argument.

Besides, Humans kill animals for all kinds of puropses besides meat consuption. The seals are specifically killed for their fur, not their meat.

Well, I'm sure that polar bears kill seals for their fur too! Haven't you ever heard of Polar Bear Brand Winter Coats?

(Oh, wait, those were made from polar bears, not by polar bears? Eeeeep...)

 

[Darth Rotor]

Seems like there is a shallow, European vanity element to the seal industry, not just a native tradition.

I think the young lady should respect the seals, and take that wrap off immediately! As a pennance for having worn seal fur, she needs to remove the rest of her clothing as well, immediately. I am compassionate, however, so if she finds Canada a bit too chilly sans clothing, she can come on down here to Texas.

DR

 

[Darth Rotor]

Carnivores cannot choose not to eat meat and survice. Humans can.

Besides, Humans kill animals for all kinds of puropses besides meat consuption. The seals are specifically killed for their fur, not their meat.

Therefore, your argument is a fallacy.

Is the meat wasted?

Is the fishing industry a beneficiary? If seals and humans are competing for the same fish resources, then this is a natural measure to mitigate competition for a food source.

I think Mr Darwin would approve. Fish is good food.

DR

 

[Lonewulf]

Is the meat wasted?

I admit, seal hunting is less loathsome if the meat is not wasted.

Is the fishing industry a beneficiary? If seals and humans are competing for the same fish resources, then this is a natural measure to mitigate competition for a food source.

Sounds like a post hoc rationalization to me...

I think Mr Darwin would approve. Fish is good food.

I think that "Mr Darwin" might find it disturbing that people are using evolutionary theory to justify human actions.

It reeks of the same stench as Social Darwinism.

Out of curiosity, do you have any statistical or scientific analysis or evidence that the seal population is in "need" to be shortened, population-wise, and that they will have any direct and massive impact on the fish population, whether within the next decade to century?

Though I guess if we go ahead and wipe out all the predators of seals, we'll have to kill the seals...

 

[steverino]

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I think the young lady should respect the seals, and take that wrap off immediately! As a pennance for having worn seal fur, she needs to remove the rest of her clothing as well, immediately. I am compassionate, however, so if she finds Canada a bit too chilly sans clothing, she can come on down here to Texas.

DR

Darth- I know this is speculation, but I am guessing she is in a New York City or Montreal photo studio, complaining she is hot from all the studio lights. I think she needs you to cool her off. Our Sue Bird secret is safe with me.

 

[Darth Rotor]

Darth- I know this is speculation, but I am guessing she is in a New York City or Paris photo studio, complaining she is hot from all the studio lights. I think she needs you to cool her off. Our Sue Bird secret is safe with me.

Hey, why am I starting to overheat all of a sudden?

DR

 

[thaiboxerken]

So what you are saying is that if there was a buck in it, I would be justified in clubbing my golden retriever to feed my face? (From behind, of course.)

I think you would be justified in doing so if you had to either do that or let your children starve.

 

[steverino]

I think you would be justified in doing so if you had to either do that or let your children starve.

Fine, but I would not skin my golden retriever until I knew for sure she was dead. And thanks for cheering me up with morning.

 

[Lonewulf]

I think you would be justified in doing so if you had to either do that or let your children starve.

Of course.

But then, that's also less an argument for seal hunting, more an argument for bringing more money, economy, and job opportunities to those that do it.

 

[Darth Rotor]

I admit, seal hunting is less loathsome if the meat is not wasted.

If it is wasted, and not used, I'd tend to be more on your side. IIRC, one of the earlier posts showed that some of it becomes dog food, but maybe I misread.

Out of curiosity, do you have any statistical or scientific analysis or evidence that the seal population is in "need" to be shortened, population-wise, and that they will have any direct and massive impact on the fish population, whether within the next decade to century?

One of the links earlier in the thread pointed to the matter of fishing populations, seals, and fish as seal food. Not sure if that meant fish for the First Nation folks only, or the fishing industry at large.

Though I guess if we go ahead and wipe out all the predators of seals, we'll have to kill the seals...

Yes, sorta like we do regarding deer.

Too bad seal isn't as yummy as venison, but maybe it is an acquired taste.

DR

 

[Lonewulf]

Yes, sorta like we do regarding deer.

I was actually being sarcastic there, you know.

 

[Darth Rotor]

I was actually being sarcastic there, you know.

No need to be. Fish and Game and Wildlife wardens worry about such things, though I am treading on my edges of understanding. An explosion of population in an animal, such as the seals, when their major predators go away can have an influence, sometimes powerful, on the local ecosystem. The corrective actions vary, and the self correction typically sees the herd starve, or spread to other areas.

Depends on the beastie. The "balance" often sought is to avoid such an explosion/migration due to the varying and often unknown effects that manifest themselves downstream.

Or, you can just beat the little buggers to death, and keep the herd to a manageable size.

DR

 

[steverino]

... some of it becomes dog food, but maybe I misread.
DR

I should not have crawled out of bed this morning.

Can't they kill the little cute fluffies without beating them and, in some cases, skinning them alive?

 

[Lonewulf]

No need to be. Fish and Game and Wildlife wardens worry about such things, though I am treading on my edges of understanding. An explosion of population in an animal, such as the seals, when their major predators go away can have an influence, sometimes powerful, on the local ecosystem. The corrective actions vary, and the self correction typically sees the herd starve, or spread to other areas.

Depends on the beastie. The "balance" often sought is to avoid such an explosion/migration due to the varying and often unknown effects that manifest themselves downstream.

Or, you can just beat the little buggers to death, and keep the herd to a manageable size.

Or, you can just not hunt their predators to extinction.

Yes! I know! Radical idea!

 

[Darth Rotor]

Or, you can just not hunt their predators to extinction.

Yes! I know! Radical idea!

Too late. Already done, partly to protect livestock.

*shrugs*

Circles within circles.

DR

 

[Lonewulf]

Too late. Already done, partly to protect livestock.

*shrugs*

Circles within circles.

DR

I meant the predators of seals.

As for wolves and the like involving deer, they're re-introducing wolf packs. Though some folks here on this forum seem to be just fine with the idea of trying to wipe them out to near-extinction again.

 

[Darth Rotor]

I meant the predators of seals.

As for wolves and the like involving deer, they're re-introducing wolf packs. Though some folks here on this forum seem to be just fine with the idea of trying to wipe them out to near-extinction again.

Ah, I meant predators of deer. I read about the wolves recently, in Nat Geo I think, but given the distribution of livestock, I don't see them making a big enough comeback to be a major deer predator.

7mm magnum, it's a beauty.

DR

 

[Ben Tilly]

As for wolves and the like involving deer, they're re-introducing wolf packs. Though some folks here on this forum seem to be just fine with the idea of trying to wipe them out to near-extinction again.

It isn't a simple problem. In, for instance, New Jersey there are a lot of deer living in suburbs. If you try to control them with wild wolf packs, you're going to have a lot of trouble with wolves killing local pets and possibly attacks on children. (That is assuming that the wolves choose to remain in the suburbs. Human suburbs are not the most wolf-friendly territory...) The pets are an issue because wolves are territorial and see dogs as competing wolves. Wolves hunting children have not historically been a problem on this continent because we've not allowed wolves to live in fairly densely populated areas.

Cheers,
Ben

 

[armageddonman]

I should not have crawled out of bed this morning.

Can't they kill the little cute fluffies without beating them and, in some cases, skinning them alive?

Bullets cost money. The Bioindustry will do anything to keep the costs for killing animals down.

Fortunately, times are changing. I am confident that in a couple of decades, all this will be mostly a thing of the past as regarded as something like racial segragation, slavery etc.