Can we control the temperature of Earth?

If we all smoke less, there will be less smog, so there will be more sunshine. So the world will get warmer, except at night, when it will get colder.

If we move onto triple winter time, thus extending the nighttime hours, we should be able to cool the world down in a few years.
 
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We know from temperature measurement in the pacific, that there hasn’t been any global temperature increase since 1995.

I'm very much a beginner when it comes to climate science, but I'm pretty sure that's incorrect.

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This winter is cold, so fare I understand everywhere on Earth.

Then you have misunderstood, or ignored the available data. It is very cold where I am now too, however that is not the case across the globe. As Pixel42 said, it is due to the Arctic Oscillation. This graph shows temperature anomalies for December 2009:

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NASA doesn’t agree.

A lot of facts that doesn’t agree with the fanatic believe: “that we are to believe for the 1 degree temperature rise” - has demonstrably and systematically been repressed from decision takers.


Wow. Only 17 posts into the thread and Bjarne is forced to play the conspiracy theory card. But not to worry, if his other threads are any indication, soon we'll all be wriggling in the grasp of his unassailable logic :rolleyes:

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We know from temperature measurement in the pacific, that there hasn’t been any global temperature increase since 1995.

We also know that the Suns activity have been very weak the last 2 years.

Source to both these claims are here

If the debate about climate change has taught me anything, it's that the phrase 'we know' is very rarely appropriate. Just because a scientist says something on a website, doesn't make it something 'we know'.
Even you say it's a 'claim'.
Why is everyone so sure? we are supposed to be sceptical of 'claims'.

Examine your own motives. Are you treating the evidence with sufficient scrutiny? Or is this something you want to believe?
 
What does the magnetic field have to do with global warming?
It have been clearly shown by the church of FSM that the cause is a decrease in the number of pirates over the last few centuries.

The trend in pirate numbers is reversing (see Somalia) so I don't see what all the excitement is about, the temperatures will be down again within a few decades.
 
Then you have misunderstood, or ignored the available data. It is very cold where I am now too, however that is not the case across the globe. As Pixel42 said, it is due to the Arctic Oscillation. This graph shows temperature anomalies for December 2009:

Definitely a warm winter on the East half of Canada. The US has had far worse weather than we have up here. Bjarne needs to get a better understanding of the word Global with respect to climate trends.
 
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Definitely a warm winter on the East half of Canada. The US has had far worse weather than we have up here. Bjarne needs to get a better understanding of the word Global with respect to climate trends.

My friend in Melbourne was experiencing the highest temperatures in a century there a couple of weeks ago. Meanwhile, I was freezing in the snow in the UK. That means global warming's a hoax, right? :D
 
My friend in Melbourne was experiencing the highest temperatures in a century there a couple of weeks ago. Meanwhile, I was freezing in the snow in the UK. That means global warming's a hoax, right? :D
Wrong! British Columbia Canada is having the warmest January on RECORD!!!!!! So, since it is a part of the globe, it must be true.:)
 
Here we go again...

Has it been warming in the last decade? Yes!



Has the rate of warming decreased in the last decade? Not really, still within the StDev for the long term trend, and actually increased the long term trend a bit.



Has the last decade been warmer than the previous ones? Hell yes!



Keep this in mind, and carry on...
 
I can see that we have some new participants, who may not have noticed Bjarne's standard MO. Don't expect him to have researched anything. Don't expect him to listen to arguments. Don't expect him to really know what he is talking about.

This is not an ad hominem, just stating some observed patterns that might be useful for people planning to debate with Bjarne.

Hans
 
I can see that we have some new participants, who may not have noticed Bjarne's standard MO. Don't expect him to have researched anything. Don't expect him to listen to arguments. Don't expect him to really know what he is talking about.

This is not an ad hominem, just stating some observed patterns that might be useful for people planning to debate with Bjarne.

Hans

Thanks. I got the feeling he had made up his mind already. (Mind you, that is the feeling I get from all the deniers - such contrarianism in the face of the evidence must require a very stubborn mindset).
 
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If we "simply don't know", then how do you conclude it's an exaggeration? might it not be an understatement?

I have seen (and recorded) a documentary made by English scientist.
You can find a lot of evidence that shows that CO2 have no or mush less effect.
I will not go in details, it’s not my point either , it’s easy to find all these argument at the internet. But it is not science that now a days takes over, - but emotions.

What had happen the last 5 years is mass hysteria.
What had happen the last 100 years is that the ice is melting, right, - but for 1000 years ago it were 1 degree warmer by Greenland.
But as I wrote there are "many opposite argument” on both side, it really leads nowhere.

Notice all of the peaks in the temperature that are not in the magnetic field strength? They show that there are other things causing the temperature to change.
Right
And these “other things” are the moving MNP, sometime in an area with bad magnetic conductivity and some times in an area with bad magnetic conductivity.

Read the writings on the wall >>

http://www.science27.com/Earth/b.jpg
As you easy can see, - when MNP moves (a lot) and into areas with poor magnetic conductivity, - the strength of the Earths Magnetic fields is weakening.
This is the one factor responsible for the strength of the Magnetic Field.
The other reason is the strength of the solar wind.
The first influence we must learn to control, - if possible.

A new Ice age could start any time.
We should prepare us self to trap MNP in the Arctic Ocean, in the big positive magnetic anomaly. ( or at the Northern Greenland).
At least build power stations (maybe on the inland ice) and starts to experiment, if we can affects the motion of MNP.
If we can we can keep MNP quite we can certainly control the Earths temperature..

Read the full background for claiming this here

I vote for moving the Earth further out from the Sun
I know what I claims is a “funny idea” .
But it is not funny the day million of people must move south, and leave there countries to the ice.
I mean we are willing to spend 50 billion USD to search a (fantasy) higgs (that not exist) – How must are we willing to spend to at least trying to see, is it possible that we can protect us from the next ice age, (that only a idiot believe never will come again) ?
That day could come sooner as you believe.
A BIG ice age could be here with full power in less as 100 years.
A small ice age could be here in few years.

I don’t believe it require must energy to affect / trap the motion of MNP.

What does the magnetic field have to do with global warming?
The Earths magnetic field and its temperature are coincident.
The cause of that is that the solar activity is responsible for the magnetic field on the Earth.
To understand the background for the thread, you must read this and this

My friend in Melbourne was experiencing the highest temperatures in a century there a couple of weeks ago. Meanwhile, I was freezing in the snow in the UK. That means global warming's a hoax, right
There are strong arguments on both side.
But we don’t know the cause of temperature changing’s.
We even don’t know what causing something so dramatically as ice ages.
We have A LOT more to learn.
We are forces to seriously to listen to all theories, also Henrik Svensmark.
Time will prove if the solar activity is very important and main responsible.
The next 10 years we could learn that lesson.
It takes time to cool down the earth. The ocean is a huge heat accumulator. Exactly in these years a new ice age could very well be starting.
The next 10 to 20 year will properly learn us a lot more of the secrets of the Sun.

I hope we in the coming years will se how the solar activity is connected with the temperature on Earth.

But to understand this mechanism completely we also must understand why there is coincidence between the Earths magnetic field and the temperatures here on the planet..
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Bjarne
There are strong arguments on both side.
Nope - evidence is overwhelming for AGW - overturning mainstream climate science on this would be a monumental task and there are NO signs of that at all.

But we don’t know the cause of temperature changing’s.
sorry but yes temperature changes have causes and we are aware of them. Just because you are not don't lay off your ignorance of the current state of climate science on others.

We even don’t know what causing something so dramatically as ice ages.
of course we do, try orbital ...Milankovich cycles....
We have A LOT more to learn.
always in science - we also have a lot to learn about every discipline - it never stops us from acting on what we do know.

We are forces to seriously to listen to all theories, also Henrik Svensmark.
Time will prove if the solar activity is very important and main responsible.
The next 10 years we could learn that lesson.
Sven has generally been dismissed by mainstream - does not mean it's inconcievable...just very unlikely to overturn AGW in any meaningful way as you would also have to explain why GHG - which has sound basis in theory and observation has now stopped affecting the climate. Tall order.

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t takes time to cool down the earth. The ocean is a huge heat accumulator.
Maybe you should take hysteresis into account when assessing what is actually occurring now with AGW - what's in the pipeline is significant - the ocean and cryosphere are buffering us. Ocean heat accumulation is the problem ..atmosphere is transient by comparison.
http://bravenewclimate.com/2009/03/06/how-much-warming-in-the-pipeline-part-ii-abcs/

Exactly in these years a new ice age could very well be starting.
That only shows your ignorance of the planet you live on and the solar system you inhabit.

The next 10 to 20 year will properly learn us a lot more of the secrets of the Sun.
:rolleyes:

Love the Victorian Capitalization..:garfield:
 
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It's just like I've been saying this whole time. Global warming will coincide with an oncoming ice age. The two will balance out and the weather will be quite nice for several decades.

That is untill we geneticaly revive the wooly mamoths. The Mamoths will prosper in great herds and the masive release of methane and CO2 will tip the balance back into Global warming.

The reoccurance of global warming will cause the worlds governments to kill of the mamoths in large numbers. The meat will then be distributed to third world countries. The huge mamoth ribs will require that the people BBQ the meat in huge fires. The smoke form the huge numbers of BBQ pits will cover the globe thus driving the earth into a nuclear winter style catastrophe.

This story is said to be produced into a film directed by James Cameron, or Michale Bay.
 

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