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Can Soul, Ghosts Exist?

flume said:
An incandescent light bulb would have a different spectrum from a fluorescent light bulb, but two incandescent light bulbs can have the same spectrum.

Once the light is turned off, it doesn't matter which light bulb had been turned on anyway. The light is no longer there to reflect off anything. Once the light bulb is turned off it will cool down to room temperature, and you can not tell which bulb was lit.

Yes, but you can't say that 'already emitted/reflected wavelengths' are destroyed or do not exist in any form in universe.
 
Kumar said:
Yes, but you can't say that 'already emitted/reflected wavelengths' are destroyed or do not exist in any form in universe.
Yes I do. What happens to light reflected off your skin in a room? It hits the wall, gets reflected around until it is absorbed, which happens very quickly. (Again, think how quickly it is dark in the room after you turn out the light.) The energy from the visible light becomes heat. The heat equilibrates in the room - it all becomes the same temperature. There is no information left from either the light source or any object it reflected off of. The energy isn't lost, but the history of it is lost.
 
flume said:
Yes I do. What happens to light reflected off your skin in a room? It hits the wall, gets reflected around until it is absorbed, which happens very quickly. (Again, think how quickly it is dark in the room after you turn out the light.) The energy from the visible light becomes heat. The heat equilibrates in the room - it all becomes the same temperature. There is no information left from either the light source or any object it reflected off of. The energy isn't lost, but the history of it is lost.

What about that light which leaves the room & wonder in open?

What is the differance between sunlight near the sun & on the earth?
 
Kumar said:
What about that light which leaves the room & wonder in open?
It doesn't "wander," it travels very, very fast in straight lines until it hits something. If it hits something it will be reflected or absorbed. If it hits the retina of someone's eye, it will form an image and they will see whatever the light came from. If it doesn't hit anything at all it will keep going. End of story.
What is the differance between sunlight near the sun & on the earth?
Sunlight near the sun is brighter (inverse square law). In addition, sunlight at the earth's surface has less of the short end of the spectrum because some of it is stopped by the atmosphere.
 
Mojo said:
It doesn't "wander," it travels very, very fast in straight lines until it hits something. If it hits something it will be reflected or absorbed. If it hits the retina of someone's eye, it will form an image and they will see whatever the light came from. If it doesn't hit anything at all it will keep going. End of story.Sunlight near the sun is brighter (inverse square law). In addition, sunlight at the earth's surface has less of the short end of the spectrum because some of it is stopped by the atmosphere.

What happens to that light which is so reflected or absorbed?

Inspite of so many medeas in beween sun & earth, how sunlight, mostly similar(esp. visible wavelengths) to origional light, can reach to us as entity of sun?
 
You know something, Kumar, my daughter learned about this level of very basic science when she was about 7 or 8 years old. By the time she reached high school, questions like you are asking now would no longer be necessary for her. Since you have now spent more time on this forum than she did in school learning this stuff, I can only conclude that you are either extremely stupid, deluded or a troll. Or any combination thereof.

India has some of the most remarkable brains on this planet. You're not one of them.
 
Kumar said:
What happens to that light which is so reflected or absorbed?
I see no point in answering this question, as you obviously haven't bothered to read the answers you've been given to this and similar questions in the past.

Inspite of so many medeas in beween sun & earth, how sunlight, mostly similar(esp. visible wavelengths) to origional light, can reach to us as entity of sun?
There isn't actually that much between us and the sun, and what there is is mostly transparent. That's how the light can get through it. :rolleyes:
 
Kumar said:
Inspite of jumble of waves going in all directions, we can still recognize the source of light--sunlight,tubelight, bulb light, candle/oil lamp light etc. It means any light holds some entity of its source.

Absolutely not. You can not tell the difference between red light produced with a helium-neon laser, and the same wavelength of red light produced by any other means.

As for spectra, the blackbody spectra from any object of the same temperature is the same. The only "entity of its source" it tells you is the temperature. If its hot enough it may also contain some atomic lines, in which case you can say "aha, this is a source which is at 2000 C, and also there is some sodium, hydrogen and oxygen present". That might or might not be enough to tell you where it came from. But you couldn't tell the difference between a single source giving those wavelengths, and three different sources which combined happened to have the same content.

Btw, our body composition may be divided into few types of cells/tissues--dead or alive. Whether light emitted/reflected from any one type of cells/tissuues, will be as similar spectrum or differant?

Blackbody spectrum. Identical. Same as a rock at the same temperature.
 
rppa said:
You can not tell the difference between red light produced with a helium-neon laser, and the same wavelength of red light produced by any other means.
Surely the laser light would be coherent, whereas light produced by other means would be Kumaresque. :D
 
rppa said:
Kumar said:
Absolutely not. You can not tell the difference between red light produced with a helium-neon laser, and the same wavelength of red light produced by any other means.

Can't scientific measuring instruments recognize this differance?

As for spectra, the blackbody spectra from any object of the same temperature is the same. The only "entity of its source" it tells you is the temperature. If its hot enough it may also contain some atomic lines, in which case you can say "aha, this is a source which is at 2000 C, and also there is some sodium, hydrogen and oxygen present". That might or might not be enough to tell you where it came from. But you couldn't tell the difference between a single source giving those wavelengths, and three different sources which combined happened to have the same content.

Some mention was there previously that star compositions is known by its emitted light or cosmic rays.

Blackbody spectrum. Identical. Same as a rock at the same temperature.

Should we not consider chracteristic emissions & object's colours reflections?
 
Kumar said:
Absolutely not. You can not tell the difference between red light produced with a helium-neon laser, and the same wavelength of red light produced by any other means.

Can't scientific measuring instruments recognize this differance?

As for spectra, the blackbody spectra from any object of the same temperature is the same. The only "entity of its source" it tells you is the temperature. If its hot enough it may also contain some atomic lines, in which case you can say "aha, this is a source which is at 2000 C, and also there is some sodium, hydrogen and oxygen present". That might or might not be enough to tell you where it came from. But you couldn't tell the difference between a single source giving those wavelengths, and three different sources which combined happened to have the same content.

Some mention was there previously that star compositions is known by its emitted light or cosmic rays.

Blackbody spectrum. Identical. Same as a rock at the same temperature.

Should we not consider chracteristic emissions & object's colours reflections?

What about if...
What about if we pretend...
What about if we compare totally different things...

I don't understand how Kumar gets people to respond to him so consistently.

In a month or two I have seen him ask the same questions over and over and over and over...
He has made the same mistakes and deliberate errors over and over and over...
People have provided Kumar with links, explanations, definitions over and over and over...
Kumar has ignored them over and over and over...

Kumar actively doesn't want to know the truth about science or how anything works. He is merely trying to put forth his belief system.
Actual facts will never distract him. He is not interested in learning - the world works how he has decided and that is that.

A lot of the concepts here are very simple - failing to have grasped them by now means that Kumar is actively rejecting them.
Someone actively rejecting information will never learn it.

Anyway, carry on and have fun.
 
Ashles,

If things are unclear we have to try to clear it again & again as we clean a glass which is still unclear. Something positive or some logic can be there, if any concept persist but remain unclear as homeopathy etc. persist here. I think you are yet, unable to satisfy, even to 'otherwise skeptic' in Chritianity & skepticism' thread. ???
 
Kumar said:
Ashles,

Something positive can be there if any concept persist but remain unclear. I think you are yet unable to satisfy even to 'otherwise skeptic' in Chritianity & skepticism' thread. ???
I am familiar with most of those words, but I am afraid the order you have put them in creates something of a problem.

What I said in the Christianity and Scepticism thread was that people can hold contradictory beliefs.
It doesn't make the beliefs true.
And things that aren't true can sometimes be a comfort to people.
It doesn't make them true. Or even a particularly good idea to believe.

I'm not sure if this answers your post. But I am sure it won't make any difference to what you think.
 
Ashles said:
People have provided Kumar with links, explanations, definitions over and over and over...
Kumar has ignored them over and over and over...

Better than that. Kumar himself provides links and quotes of material he obviously hasn't read.
 
Absolutely not. You can not tell the difference between red light produced with a helium-neon laser, and the same wavelength of red light produced by any other means.

I should amplify that what I meant was COHERENT light produced by other means (thanks Mojo). Michelson, for instance, did not have access to lasers when he invented his interferometer. He had to produce coherent light by other means.

The more I learn about 19th century physics, the more I am amazed at the precision of what they were able to measure, considering the state of technology. Actually, 19th century bridges and tunnels impress the heck out of me too.

Can't scientific measuring instruments recognize this differance?

What difference? You can't tell the difference because THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE. See if this sounds like a familiar statement: Every photon of a given wavelength is identical to every other photon of the same wavelength.

As for spectra, the blackbody spectra from any object of the same temperature is the same. The only "entity of its source" it tells you is the temperature.

Some mention was there previously that star compositions is known by its emitted light or cosmic rays.

Yes, but you can't tell from that, that you are looking at a star. You could be looking at a candle with the same chemical content. In fact, the reason we know that a given set of lines from a star is associated with, for instance helium, is that when we cause a sample of helium in the lab to emit WE SEE EXACTLY THE SAME LINES. There is nothing there that says "star". It just says "helium".

That's atomic lines, which we only see in situations where something is very hot. Nearly all of the situations you ask about involve temperatures far too low to see atomic lines, and the only thing present will be the blackbody spectrum.

Blackbody spectrum. Identical. Same as a rock at the same temperature.

Should we not consider chracteristic emissions & object's colours reflections?

There is nothing characteristic about the thermal (blackbody) emissions. There is nothing to consider.
 
Ashles said:
I am familiar with most of those words, but I am afraid the order you have put them in creates something of a problem.

What I said in the Christianity and Scepticism thread was that people can hold contradictory beliefs.
It doesn't make the beliefs true.
And things that aren't true can sometimes be a comfort to people.
It doesn't make them true. Or even a particularly good idea to believe.


But it does not make a 'belief untrue'. It is just 'pending to know in science' till it remains belief in mass...
 
rppa,

I don't know whay you don't accept that any reflected light from anybody & being, can be specific to that body or being in colour wavelengths & dimentions. This is same as we see & recognize photo of a person--coloured or black & white. I can't say much about radiated heat or black body radiation-- if can be specific.
 
Kumar said:
But it does not make a 'belief untrue'. It is just 'pending to know in science' till it remains belief in mass...
Wrong. The fact that a lot of people believe in something does not make it true. And if the evidence points to it being false, only fools continue to blindly believe.
 
Kumar said:
But it does not make a 'belief untrue'. It is just 'pending to know in science' till it remains belief in mass...
Sure.
Find some evidence and then we can seperate the belief from the pile of all the other beliefs for which there is no evidence:

Fairies, ESP, homeopathy, alien abduction, Aztec alien landing sites, ghosts, Zeus, reptilian controllers, telekinesis, the loch ness monster, Harry Potter etc. etc. ad nauseam.

Or do you believe in every one of those until they are disproven?
 
Kumar said:
rppa,

I don't know whay you don't accept that any reflected light from anybody & being, can be specific to that body or being in colour wavelengths & dimentions. This is same as we see & recognize photo of a person--coloured or black & white. I can't say much about radiated heat or black body radiation-- if can be specific.
You see Rppa?

You have explained it so that a five year old could understand. But still Kumar asks the same questions.

This means that:
A) He understands fully, but is trying to wind you up
B) He is a moron incapable of understanding anything
C) He has decided that everything is mystical and exciting and will ignore any facts that indicate that everything doesn't work by magic

Which of these possibilities makes you think that further explanation will help?
 

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