Can Soul, Ghosts Exist?

[Correa Neto]

...snip...You know modernization can create imbalances--probably imbalances in soul : ghost's proportion also. In modern times, most people die under lighted conditions at hospitals, homes etc., but in older times people were dying in both lighted & dark conditions, proportionately. Soul is said to be required for birth or re-birth--whereas ghosts may not. Accordingly, this may be a reason of increase in human population & decreasing ghost's population due to improvement & over-exposure of lighting in modern times---probably.

AAAAAAK!!!!

Now I see Kumar´s point!
We should get rid of evil modern allopath medicine and electrical power to restore the ghosts / souls ballance and control population growth!!!


Honestly, I hope it was just a joke...

 

[Vikram]

Honestly, I hope it was just a joke...

No such luck. After having read page after page of Kumar's nonsense, I'm convinced that he truly believes in it all. No prankster could ever be so persistent.

 

[Zep]

I'm sure there's many places in India (if indeed that's where Kumar lives) where he could be treated. Or at least housed safely.

 

[rppa]

No, that's pure nonsense.

Sense is also there in nonsense].

No it isn't. The "non" prefix means that sense is absent from "nonsense".

Do the photons from the electric wire not emitted on passing electric current through it? I think wires get hot after some time of supply?

If the wire is heated to, say 30 degrees, then it will emit blackbody radiation that looks like a rock, a plate of spaghetti, a bowl of soup, or a compost heap at 30 degrees. There is nothing characteristic about the emissions from an object at temperature T that looks different from any other object at the same temperature. This may sound familiar. I know I've said it to you at least 10 times.

What about the electrons in body's atomic structure? Are they remain somewhat excited or at higher energy level when a person is alive

No, they aren't. Electrons do not remain in an excited state. Being "alive" does not have anything to do with exciting electrons. Electrons are overwhelmingly in their ground state for nearly every object on earth. I know you've been told this. I know I've said it to you myself at least 10 times.

(due to body heat, chemical bond, light exposure, differance in skin colour due to blood supply or otherwise) AND decay back to their normal level on death

No. There is no need to decay to the ground state because they are already in their ground state throughout the person's life.

 

[Kumar]

Mojo, rppa,

No it isn't. The "non" prefix means that sense is absent from "nonsense".

Zero mass/rest mass is also considered as mass--as in photons.

At the time of death, some chemical reaction should be taking place due to loss of oxygen, blood supply etc. All these can cause to release of some energy. Moreover, colour of body also changes--it become yellow which can cause changes in reflection & emission pattern. Is it wrong?

Anyway, we should check this concept in view of whatever a person can leave during his/he life & after his death:-

1. Materiastically, shedded skin particles & other physical remains after death. Are these take some form of micro-organisms?

2. Energetically, we can have emitted, reflected or released wavelengths(EM & Mech. Waves), energies & their composite spectrum, dimentions etc. during life, on death & after death.

3. His children, effects of his good & bad doing during his life time.

I think nothing is left, so we can try to locate soul/ghost among these remains. It can be a concept or a real existance--which you can think with this available feed back.

I can't satisfy myself unless I found/know logic & science of any mass existing observation & experiance & I feel that no such concept is/can be paranormal, pseudoscientific or supernatural in complete/absolute exact science. Yet/Still, there can be some 'miss, weaknesses or pending works in science for declaring it as complete or absolute science. Till then we can just feel that 'couldn't yet known in complete science.

 

[Mojo]

At the time of death, some chemical reaction should be taking place due to loss of oxygen, blood supply etc. All these can cause to release of some energy. Moreover, colour of body also changes--it become yellow which can cause changes in reflection & emission pattern. Is it wrong?

There are also rather a lot of chemical reactions taking place in a body while it's alive. That's what life is. Loss of oxygen supply is not particularly likely to cause greater release of energy, is it? The energy releasing processes in the body require oxygen. The colour change you mention is caused by decomposition (also possibly by the blood settling - I thnk this may be referred to as lividity?) which is caused by the life processes of bacteria etc. - not really anything to do with the person who's just died.

Anyway, we should check this concept in view of whatever a person can leave during his/he life & after his death:-

1. Materiastically, shedded skin particles & other physical remains after death. Are these take some form of micro-organisms?

What has this got to do with "souls" or "ghosts?"

2. Energetically, we can have emitted, reflected or released wavelengths(EM & Mech. Waves), energies & their composite spectrum, dimentions etc. during life, on death & after death.

While we are alive, we do not emit or reflect light any differently to any other object of a similar temperature and colour. Do you remember what you've been told about black body radiation? (apparently not)

3. His children, effects of his good & bad doing during his life time.

What has this got to do with "souls" or "ghosts?"

 

[Kumar]

There are also rather a lot of chemical reactions taking place in a body while it's alive. That's what life is. Loss of oxygen supply is not particularly likely to cause greater release of energy, is it? The energy releasing processes in the body require oxygen.

Body loses heat on death, I can't say whether overall effect is exothermic or endothermic. I also can't say whenther overall effects of all changes on death, is release of photons or absorption of photons due to chemical changes in body on death. Can you tell this? Since you anticipate only heat or black body radiations but not light , I don't think just heat loss can cause any soul/ghost effect because nothing is specific & chracteristic in this. Moreover, souls are considered bit as cool entity.

The colour change you mention is caused by decomposition (also possibly by the blood settling - I thnk this may be referred to as lividity?) which is caused by the life processes of bacteria etc. - not really anything to do with the person who's just died.

Instant colour changes on death, I think can be just by loss of blood colour & supply. This change in outer colour of body can effect emission/reflection pattern--if body is exposed to light at that time.

What has this got to do with "souls" or "ghosts?

It is indicated that Re-birth can be in several living beings(somewhat 80000 type of living beings). Furthur, in spritual sayings, various aspects might had been indicated differently as by examples/stories or in differant languages, which in actuals can be in different real form. We need to understand those in reality or in concept not in person.

"While we are alive, we do not emit or reflect light any differently to any other object of a similar temperature and colour. Do you remember what you've been told about black body radiation? (apparently not)

We anticipate only heat/black body radiation as body energy, but there can also be some energies as energy in visible spectrum due to change in colours of our exposed parts.

What has this got to do with "souls" or "ghosts?"

One thought can be that soul/ghost is an imaginary entity shown/indicated of what we have left behind. Our children & our effects-good or bad deeds etc. are our remained effects, which we are leaving behind us. So what this world will gain or loose from these remains--may be somewhat thought as our soul/ghost as a concept not a true presense of any physical or energetic entity.

 

[rppa]

No it isn't. The "non" prefix means that sense is absent from "nonsense".

Zero mass/rest mass is also considered as mass--as in photons.

No, zero mass is not considered to be mass. A photon has zero mass. A photon is massless. A photon does not have any mass.

At the time of death, some chemical reaction should be taking place due to loss of oxygen, blood supply etc. All these can cause to release of some energy.

Nothing that is different than during life.

1. Materiastically, shedded skin particles & other physical remains after death. Are these take some form of micro-organisms?

Nothing that is different than during life.

2. Energetically, we can have emitted, reflected or released wavelengths(EM & Mech. Waves), energies & their composite spectrum, dimentions etc. during life, on death & after death.

Not in any way which is different during life.

3. His children, effects of his good & bad doing during his life time.

Is that a sentence? What are you proposing here? Never mind, I don't want to know.

 

[Mojo]

Body loses heat on death, I can't say whether overall effect is exothermic or endothermic.

The body cools down after death because the exothermic (i.e. heat generating) processes characteristic of life are no longer taking place. If no heat is being generated, the temperature of the body will tend towards the temperature of its surroundings.

I also can't say whenther overall effects of all changes on death, is release of photons or absorption of photons due to chemical changes in body on death. Can you tell this?

Photons are not released by the body upon death. A dead body is not going to have significant differences from a live body in this respect

Since you anticipate only heat or black body radiations but not light ,

Black body radiation is light. It's just that at body temperature the wavelengths are too long for it to be within the visible spectrum. At higher temperatures the wavelengths get shorter and things can glow red hot, the colour getting less red as temperature increases. Do you remember what you have been told about black body radiation?

I don't think just heat loss can cause any soul/ghost effect because nothing is specific & chracteristic in this.

Well, that's really all that's happening at this point.

Instant colour changes on death, I think can be just by loss of blood colour & supply. This change in outer colour of body can effect emission/reflection pattern--if body is exposed to light at that time.

Yes, to the extent that it might appear a slightly different colour: but this is not going to have any effect on anything.

It is indicated that Re-birth can be in several living beings(somewhat 80000 type of living beings). Furthur, in spritual sayings, various aspects might had been indicated differently as by examples/stories or in differant languages, which in actuals can be in different real form. We need to understand those in reality or in concept not in person.

There's no real evidence for any of this, is there?

We anticipate only heat/black body radiation as body energy, but there can also be some energies as energy in visible spectrum due to change in colours of our exposed parts.

Yes, to the extent that it might appear a slightly different colour: but this is not going to have any effect on anything.

One thought can be that soul/ghost is an imaginary entity

I think you could be near the truth here.

 

[turtle]

Q: Can Soul, Ghosts Exist?
A: No.

Next question, please.

Wrong question.

Wrong answer.

Of course the soul, and ghosts, can exist.

The question is, do they exist?

You may be of the opinion they do not exist. A highly educated opinion. But that does not mean they do not exist, for you do not know.

And please, I beg you, no one post a "we don't know pink hamsters exist or not, but . . ."

 

[Vikram]

And please, I beg you, no one post a "we don't know pink hamsters exist or not, but . . ."

That's pink unicorns.

 

[turtle]

That's pink unicorns.

Quite.

Unless it's Paul. He favors hamsters...just ask him.

 

[Kumar]

Photons are not released by the body upon death. A dead body is not going to have significant differences from a live body in this respect.

What are heat releseased from body & reflected light on body's(live or dead) exposure to light?

Black body radiation is light. It's just that at body temperature the wavelengths are too long for it to be within the visible spectrum. At higher temperatures the wavelengths get shorter and things can glow red hot, the colour getting less red as temperature increases. Do you remember what you have been told about black body radiation?
Well, that's really all that's happening at this point.

Do these black body radiation not form a spectrum or travel in spectrum/lines as other visible light travels?

Yes, to the extent that it might appear a slightly different colour: but this is not going to have any effect on anything.

Souls & Ghosts may also have slightest differance.


There's no real evidence for any of this, is there?

This we can check by biological formations & evolutions.

I think you could be near the truth here.

All possibilities should be thought. After effect can be of any type AND might have shown to us in differant form & language OR we couldn't able to understand real meaning behind that.

 

[Mojo]

What are heat releseased from body & reflected light on body's(live or dead) exposure to light?

This has all been explained to you before.

Do these black body radiation not form a spectrum or travel in spectrum/lines as other visible light travels?

Yes, it forms a spectrum (i.e. it is not all of a single wavelength), with a distribution of frequencies around a centre point determined by the temperature. It travels in exactly the same way as any other type of light.

This we can check by biological formations & evolutions.

You posted some stuff apparently about reincarnation and "spiritual sayings." Do you think the science of biology has any bearing at all on this?

All possibilities should be thought.

Yes, but it's a good idea to eliminate those that are unsupported by the evidence.

 

[Kumar]

Yes, it forms a spectrum (i.e. it is not all of a single wavelength), with a distribution of frequencies around a centre point determined by the temperature. It travels in exactly the same way as any other type of light.

Now, What will be the form of this spectrum emitted from whole body?

 

[rppa]

Now, What will be the form of this spectrum emitted from whole body?

Exactly the same as from a bowl of spinach, a rock, or a 1954 Buick the same temperature.

 

[Mojo]

Now, What will be the form of this spectrum emitted from whole body?

The spectral distribution of black body radiation is described by the Planck radiation formula. Basically it's a lopsided bell curve. The wavelength of the peak of the curve is inversely proportional to the absolute temperature.

 

[flume]

Yes, it forms a spectrum (i.e. it is not all of a single wavelength), with a distribution of frequencies around a centre point determined by the temperature. It travels in exactly the same way as any other type of light.

Now, What will be the form of this spectrum emitted from whole body?

A jumble of waves going in all directions.
What happens when you are in a room and you turn out the light? Do you see the light reflected off your skin? No, it is absorbed almost instantly into the walls and surrounding stuff. Do you see your shed dead skin cells in some ghostly shape? No.

 

[Kumar]

Inspite of jumble of waves going in all directions, we can still recognize the source of light--sunlight,tubelight, bulb light, candle/oil lamp light etc. It means any light holds some entity of its source.

Btw, our body composition may be divided into few types of cells/tissues--dead or alive. Whether light emitted/reflected from any one type of cells/tissuues, will be as similar spectrum or differant?

 

[flume]

Inspite of jumble of waves going in all directions, we can still recognize the source of light--sunlight,tubelight, bulb light, candle/oil lamp light etc. It means any light holds some entity of its source.

An incandescent light bulb would have a different spectrum from a fluorescent light bulb, but two incandescent light bulbs can have the same spectrum.

Once the light is turned off, it doesn't matter which light bulb had been turned on anyway. The light is no longer there to reflect off anything. Once the light bulb is turned off it will cool down to room temperature, and you can not tell which bulb was lit.