Can Queen Elizabeth retire without abdicating?

She can certainly retire from making public appearances, and probably will sooner than later. Her hubby just has. Any "constitutional" duties can be handled by signing a document. It's not as if she has any say over the content, anyhow.
 
arthwollipot said:
The person can be admired without admiring the monarchy itself.

Elizabeth Windsor is all class.
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Only in the sense of British class.

And memories are so short, do you not recall her behaviour in regards to the death of the ex wife of Charles, and her continuing behaviour towards the ex wife of Andrew?
 
Trebuchet said:
She can certainly retire from making public appearances, and probably will sooner than later. Her hubby just has. Any "constitutional" duties can be handled by signing a document. It's not as if she has any say over the content, anyhow.
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Yes she does have a say. That she has no say is a fiction that she likes to be propagated but simply isn't true.
 
Darat said:
Only in the sense of British class.

And memories are so short, do you not recall her behaviour in regards to the death of the ex wife of Charles, and her continuing behaviour towards the ex wife of Andrew?
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Not to mention her cockwomble of a husband.
 
Segnosaur said:
This is one of the reasons I have no problem with either the continued monarchy in Britain, or Canada's attachment to the royals... Because sometimes it can be good protocol to have a head of state who is non-political.

(Could you imagine Trump going to meet victims of some horrific accident or attack?)
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But the price! You get a more sharply class-minded society, fretting about the signs and signals of belonging to one group or another, including the attending sociolinguistics. Besides, inherited merit is hardly the right message to send about democracy; rather a blatant contradiction of its foundational principles. You want an apolitical leader? Have an elected monarch, a ceremonial President under parliamentary democracy.... And then there's the added bonus of the separation of church and state.

I dunno, but having that sort of mixed messaging around could promote wild swings, like leaving Europe to go on an imperial jaunt down memory lane.
 
Hlafordlaes said:
But the price! You get a more sharply class-minded society, fretting about the signs and signals of belonging to one group or another, including the attending sociolinguistics. Besides, inherited merit is hardly the right message to send about democracy; rather a blatant contradiction of its foundational principles. You want an apolitical leader? Have an elected monarch, a ceremonial President under parliamentary democracy.... And then there's the added bonus of the separation of church and state.

I dunno, but having that sort of mixed messaging around could promote wild swings, like leaving Europe to go on an imperial jaunt down memory lane.
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If one looks at the set of European monarchies this would not seem a reasonable conclusion (Belgium, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Denmark, Spain, Sweden, Norway, UK) one would not say exemplars of the characteristics you suggest are a consequence of being a monarchy.
 
Segnosaur said:
This is one of the reasons I have no problem with either the continued monarchy in Britain, or Canada's attachment to the royals... Because sometimes it can be good protocol to have a head of state who is non-political.

(Could you imagine Trump going to meet victims of some horrific accident or attack?)
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Sure, if it was for a photo op or a chance to dump more Trump steaks and wine!!!!!
 
Segnosaur said:
Ah yes, I forgot about trump "Congratulating" someone on receiving a purple heart as of he had just won the lottery or something.

I assume members of the royal family are trained to be a bit more... respectful in situations like this.
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Trump isn't even potty trained!!!!! He ***** where he sits!!!! And p'ses where he pleases!!
 
Darat said:
So she ain't universally admired in this world! I :)
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Nope, not really admired universally, but probably closer to it than pretty much anyone else alive today. And I say this while having some understanding of those who would like to see an end to the monarchy.
 
Monarchy isn't a job that the monarch performs, it's an institution that the monarch embodies. The queen is the queen whether she's in a parade waving from her queenmobile with a scepter in each hand or whether she's drunk as a skunk sitting on a toilet in the Taco Loco men's room, singing Lionel Richie songs and puking salsa verde into her own underpants. So she can retire in the sense that she makes few to none formal public appearances, but she can't stop being queen until she dies, abdicates, or is officially overthrown. Queening isn't something one does, it's something one is.
 
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