Can Gravity Make Energy?

So... even though break-even is entirely unphysical it doesn't count as perpetual motion? You have to have energy gain? Stupid rules about initial conditions...

Now we have a tense problem with the word perpetual. When I will have invented my machine it was already energized for all time :eek:

I have to pay more attention to the perpetual motion thread(s)...

it should only count if you can get energy out of it; otherwise spinning something in a perfect vacuum makes for a perpetual motion machine. granted it will move perpetually, but it's rather pointless.
 
it should only count if you can get energy out of it; otherwise spinning something in a perfect vacuum makes for a perpetual motion machine. granted it will move perpetually, but it's rather pointless.

Not necissarily, in a vacum/gravity-free enviroment (ie. space) if you take a coil of copper wire wrap it into a cylinder and have a magnet rotate within it in the same circular pattern then theoretically it should induce electricity forever. But alas I am not 100% sure if the magnetic field generated from the induction of electricty has any effect on the magnet rotating within the coil and even still there will always be some gravity even if its miniscule.

Bone_Vulture: Good arguments all around, but let me add another hypothetical angle: if we could harness power from gravity, would we be dealing with an infinite energy source? If not, could we run out of gravity?

According to what I understand gravity is caused when matter travels through time. So yes we <b>can</b> extract infinite energy but only if time is infinite. Another problem faced by this topic is that gravity still isnt a completely understood force there is much that is speculated about it even today.

My idea is that the best way to extract energy from gravity would be to first figure out what propels us through time. Although gravity is a force caused from us traveling through time I am not aware of the forcce that pushes us through time or maybe I am reversed maybe gravity pushes us through time and the effects we interact with are bi-products of this force. Either way a good question to ask is why we started moving through time in the first place, something can't just happen without a begining. It would probably be best to think of it in the manner that matter(the universe) is a ball and time is a slope which the ball(the universe) is falling down the side of. Therefor there is always constant acceleration the question is why did we start falling down the slope was it the big bang? or maybe a higher level dimension interacting with a lower level dimension or maybe a parrallel universe. Man o man I got way side tracked.
 
Not necissarily, in a vacum/gravity-free enviroment (ie. space) if you take a coil of copper wire wrap it into a cylinder and have a magnet rotate within it in the same circular pattern then theoretically it should induce electricity forever.

No it won't, because there will be a torque applied to the magnet by the interaction of the magnetic field and the currents induced in the coil.
 
Not necissarily, in a vacum/gravity-free enviroment (ie. space) if you take a coil of copper wire wrap it into a cylinder and have a magnet rotate within it in the same circular pattern then theoretically it should induce electricity forever. But alas I am not 100% sure if the magnetic field generated from the induction of electricty has any effect on the magnet rotating within the coil and even still there will always be some gravity even if its miniscule.
The induced magnetic field will indeed applie a breaking force to the rotating magnet. Any inducted magnetic field is directed against the cause of said induction. Even worse, the induced current in the wire is alternating thus the wire is emitting an EM wave and therefore loosing energy even more.

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To 'explain' why this is so, think about an electric motor. It is exactly the same as your generator, except current is applied to the coil, which causes the magnet inside to rotate.

Basically you seem to be thinking that posting a few ideas on an internet forum is going to cause somebody to post something that violates all known laws of physics, and allow you to create a perpetual motion machine. Doesn't that strike you as a bit unlikely?
 
My intent is not to create a "perpetual motion device" or extract "free-energy" such things ARE fables. My intent is to have someone post information that I can look into and research that will lead me to ways of extracting energy from gravity.
 
Basically you seem to be thinking that posting a few ideas on an internet forum is going to cause somebody to post something that violates all known laws of physics, and allow you to create a perpetual motion machine. Doesn't that strike you as a bit unlikely?

Unlikely? All you have to do is pick the right forum. Does Dennis Lee have an active fanbase? ;)
 
... My intent is to have someone post information that I can look into and research that will lead me to ways of extracting energy from gravity.

Good luck with that.

OK, that was a bit of a joke -- perhaps even in bad taste, but in no way to insult you. Basically, it won't work. Why? -- because it can't work. (Now that's really sticking my neck out, isn't it?) But no more than Randi making his $1,000,000 prize available. He's fairly confident that it won't be properly won, as I am that you can't get energy just out of a gravitational field -- you need mass. But once you use mass, you need to put in energy -- which will unfortunately at best match the energy you'll get back out. In reality it will be less.
 
Yes, however I'm searching for a way to "steal" gravity from an object and transforming it into usable energy. How? I don't have a clue or even a far fetched sci-fi story on how to accomplish this but I would like to have one.
 
Yes, however I'm searching for a way to "steal" gravity from an object and transforming it into usable energy. How? I don't have a clue or even a far fetched sci-fi story on how to accomplish this but I would like to have one.

No can do.

I'm afraid that the only way to extract energy from gravity is in the usual way, such as the weights of grandfather clocks.

You could always drop weights into a black hole if you had one, but you probably don't.
 
Once again, Shadow, I will make my point. You are hoping that we will post a few bits of information that will somehow make you discover something that has never been discovered in the history of the world. That's not likely. If we had an idea of how to do it, don't you think we would be pursuing it ourselves rather than giving away IP that is worth trillions of dollars to a random stranger?

Secondly, yes, you are trying to make a PMM, as others have pointed out, even if you don't realize it.

People have told you the legitimate ways of getting energy from gravity. Capturing the motions of waves, hydroelectric dams, etc. Certainly there may be another system like this that hasn't been invented yet - I'd advise focusing my attention there.
 
The only way to extract gravitational energy available to our technology is by dropping something and using its kinetic energy to drive a generator.

This has been made clear by several posters already, as has the fact that the net energy gain in such a system is zero.

This is only true, however, if YOU have to move the object uphill in the first place. However, this is not always the case.

Rolling a rock downhill for example merely involves getting YOU up the hill. The rock is already up there. (This is pretty much the definition of a hill).

If you are blasting rock in a quarry anyway and it has to be moved downhill to a crusher anyway, there is no good reason why the momentum of the rocks cannot be harnessed to power the crusher.

In the case of pumped storage hydro generation schemes, you do have to pump the water uphill, but you do it at night, when electricity from nuclear and other conventional stations is cheaper.

What counts is potential difference, whether in location, unit price, or voltage. A net energy balance which is zero or even negative, may still be profitable.

The Space Research Division of Soapy Enterprises Corp. is researching the feasibility of dropping small asteroids in the Atlantic, where a ring of wave generators will transform the splash into environmentally friendly electricity. The scheme has considerable spin-off potential in the construction , destruction and military fields.
 
Rolling a rock downhill for example merely involves getting YOU up the hill. The rock is already up there. (This is pretty much the definition of a hill).

If you are blasting rock in a quarry anyway and it has to be moved downhill to a crusher anyway, there is no good reason why the momentum of the rocks cannot be harnessed to power the crusher.

As I said earlier ...
This would be no different than dropping matter off a mountain -- eventually the mountain would be gone.

What is really being extracted for energy is the potential energy of the matter (rocks), not gravity itself, per se.

I do like your asteroid proposal though ... what happens in the case of a missed target? ;)
 
The Space Research Division of Soapy Enterprises Corp. is researching the feasibility of dropping small asteroids in the Atlantic, where a ring of wave generators will transform the splash into environmentally friendly electricity. The scheme has considerable spin-off potential in the construction , destruction and military fields.

Sounds liek this would fit nicely with the project in development by Huntsman World Domination Energy Consortium. We plan to panel the moon with solar cells using self-replicating robots, and beam the energy to Earth via a large microwave emitter that could easily be directed at major metropolitan areas worldwide.
 
How gravity, the sun, and magnets make electricity:

1) The sun shines on water with enough energy to make it vaporize and turn into clouds.

2) The clouds float around, and then when the circumstances are right they rain down water... with gravity.

3) When in rains in an area with stuff to direct the flow (like mountains), they create rivers.

4) Some creative folks decide to block these rivers with dams to create lakes. This stores a type of energy called "Potential Energy". Its main variable is the mass of the water, the height it can fall and gravity!

5) Then they convert the Potential Energy into Kinetic Energy by letting it fall through tubes to go through turbines, which spin. See: Gravity and Potential Energy

6) That Kinetic Energy magnets between a bunche of copper wires! This causes the electrons to move in the wires, thereby creating electricity.

Illustrations can be found here: http://www.fwee.org/gen.html

Some benefits with the dammed water is that it can be used for irrigation nearby, and the river(s) can be made navigable with locks for cargo barges. Unfortunately it has turned out to be a bummer for certain fish (there are no salmon on the Columbia River near Castlegar, BC) and its a bummer for white water rafters (places my dad rafted on the Snake River are now lake).

Remember you cannot break the basic laws of thermodynamics:

1) You can't get something for nothing.

2) You cannot break even.

3) You cannot even get out of the game.

An expanded explanation is here: http://www.physlink.com/Education/AskExperts/ae280.cfm
 
Gravitational collapse of a star releases enery, but no more directly than the hydroelectric method. It just goes the compression-fusion-radiation route.

Don't try this at home.

No If there's a way to extract gravitational energy directly from a gravitational field, it's as far beyond our technology as doing so directly from a magnetic field. There must be intermediary physical mechanisms.

We can dream. Meanwhile, pedal harder!
 
Alright lets see this is my first post and I'm gonna make it good, or at least try. Has anyone heard of any known hypothetical ways to extract energy from gravity without resorting to fusion and massive bodies of matter. It should be possible but I haven't heard anything.

If you could somehow block or shield gravity at a certain point it would work (seems to be impossible though). I think it would be easier to block or shield a magnetic field (without using energy) (also seems impossible).
 

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