Can geomagnetic activity affect telepathy? (Michael Persinger)

tuxcat said:
Rule number 1 of "explaining something": Before attempting to identify whether something affects a claimed phenomenon first of all verify the claimed phenomena indeed exists - all else is a waste of your time if the foundations of your researches doesn't exist.
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This. In order for geomagnetic fields to affect anythingg, there needs to be a thing for them to affect. Speculating on the impacts of a known on an unknown is useful only if it provides data by which the unknown can be tested. For example, if I say Tyrannosaurs rex was a specialized osteovore, I can speculate about the types of tool marks I'd expect to find in prey bones--but only if I then go out and look for them. My speculation always must take the form of "If I'm right, what would I expect to see?" The OP lacks that.

John Jones said:
Citing yourself in a reference is one sign of a crackpot.
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Not as good a sign as some would have you believe. I've seen a lot of researchers do it--legitimate scientists, often in hgih-impact publications. I've done it myself, when the report builds on a previous one or has some relevant similarity or tie to the other one. But legitimate researchers always cite numerous other reports as well.
 
WSEN said:
I know, telepathy hasn't been proven and I'm a skeptic on the matter as well. However, Michael Persinger posited a theory:

In 1974 Michael Persinger proposed that extremely low-frequency (ELF) electromagnetic waves may be able to carry telepathic and clairvoyant information.

Here is the Research article I'm talking about:

http://www.scienceforums.net/topic/...-activity-affect-telepathy-michael-persinger/

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Welcome to JREF 'WSEN'.

:)

Telepathy would have to be proven to be a real thing before one could determine what affects telepathy.

Now then, if telepathy were real, then I expect that any number of things could affect it; as is the case with all real things. However, as you stated, telepathy has not been proven to be a real thing.

Therefore, I would suggest to that author that first he prove that telepathy actually exists before he tries to determine what may affect telepathy.

I hope this helps.
 
The topic title is a magnificent example of a sentence without a clear truth value formulated as a question.
 
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WSEN said:
I know, telepathy hasn't been proven and I'm a skeptic on the matter as well. However, Michael Persinger posited a theory:

In 1974 Michael Persinger proposed that extremely low-frequency (ELF) electromagnetic waves may be able to carry telepathic and clairvoyant information.

Here is the Research article I'm talking about:

http://www.scienceforums.net/topic/...-activity-affect-telepathy-michael-persinger/

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Yes, geomagnetic activity blocks telepathy completely.
 
bjornart said:
They have pixie in the name, but they aren't actually pixies. Just like Australian magpies aren't actually magpies.
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Or like red pandas not being actual pandas.

Or like ringworm not being rings or worms (it's a fungus).

Or like fish sticks not being fish or sticks (it's a fungus).
 
WSEN said:
I know, telepathy hasn't been proven and I'm a skeptic on the matter as well. However, Michael Persinger posited a theory:

In 1974 Michael Persinger proposed that extremely low-frequency (ELF) electromagnetic waves may be able to carry telepathic and clairvoyant information.

Here is the Research article I'm talking about:

http://www.scienceforums.net/topic/...-activity-affect-telepathy-michael-persinger/

Edited by jhunter1163: 
Edited for Rule 4. Do not copy and paste large blocks of text from other sites.
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Humans don’t have measurable magnetoreception or electroreception. I don’t know any psychic who claims to tell North from South reliably. They claim to read minds, but don’t claim to tell which way is North. Magnets are sold as toys. I don’t know any claims to detect a hidden magnet reliably. I would love to see someone with ESP blindfolded and asked to point North. Similarly, I would love to see someone with ESP detect a metal bar underwater. Ask them to enter a swimming pool, blindfolded. Sharks can detect metals underwater. If psychics can’t detect the high levels of ELF from inanimate objects, then how can they read minds using ELF?

Many animals have organs obviously specialized for sensing electromagnetic signals at low frequencies, which you abbreviated for unknown some reason as ELF. Decades of effort have not shown shown unambiguously that humans can sense electromagnetic field. The senses related to ELF are referred to as electroreception and magnetoreception.

Electroreception and magnetoreception has been extensively studied in animals. These senses don’t in any way resemble ESP as described in the woo woo literature.

Animals with electroreception generally live under water with specialized organs for sensing the electric fields. These organs generally can be seen with the unaided eye. Human beings do not have specialized organs for electroreception. Please note that these animals haven’t been shown to read the minds of other animals. They sense the electric fields generated either when an animal bleeds or when it opens its gills. The electric field doesn’t seem to carry any more information than direction.

Animals with magnetoreception can determine direction via the geomagnetic field. Human beings have not been shown to be able to consistently determine direction using the magnetic field. However, the geomagnetic field is about 1000 times as strong as the magnetic fields generated by an animal. So the magnetic field of an animal has to be sensed against the huge background of a geomagnetic field.

If humans had the ability to read minds via an electric field, then they would have specialized organs for sensing electromagnetism just like other animals. Their ability to read minds would increase underwater where electric fields cause electric currents. Humans would be able to detect fish that were injured, or when the gills open, just like sharks.

If humans had enough magnetoreception to read the mind of another human, then they could reliably determine direction using the earth’s magnetic field. If a human could sense the magnetic field from another human being, then they would easily be able to determine the direction from a magnetic field that is 1000 times as strong. Or they would be able to determine the location of a strong permanent magnet, such as sells in stores. There are some permanent magnets that can generate a magnetic field thousands of times stronger than the earth’s magnetic field.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetoreception
‘Magnetoreception is a sense which allows an organism to detect a magnetic field to perceive direction, altitude or location. ... Magnetoreception in humans is controversial.’


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electroreception
‘Electroreception is the biological ability to perceive natural electrical stimuli. It has been observed almost exclusively in aquatic or amphibious animals, since salt-water is a much better conductor than air, the currently known exceptions being echidnas, cockroaches and bees...’

Are these blocks of quotation small enough for you?
 
If one feels the need to explain how non-existent things work, then one should feel free to use any part of the electromagnetic spectrum that one wants. Although most people seem to prefer quantum something- perhaps entanglement- as an explanation. Why not? I've always been intrigued by the behavior of Ghz radio waves myself.
 
tuxcat said:
Rule number 1 of "explaining something": Before attempting to identify whether something affects a claimed phenomenon first of all verify the claimed phenomena indeed exists - all else is a waste of your time if the foundations of your researches doesn't exist.
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Tuxcat is correct. Don't bother speculating if geomagnetic activity affects telepathy: prove telepathy exists.
 
I also hypothesize that geomagnetic activity affects the ability of an adult manticore to digest an uncooked cockatrice.

I also suspect that I should warm up this empty box here, so that the things that are not in it do not freeze.

My theories are perfect. You cannot disprove them.
 
John Nowak said:
Tuxcat is correct. Don't bother speculating if geomagnetic activity affects telepathy: prove telepathy exists.
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Problem: The arguments often equate telepathy with physical phenomena that are easily detected. For instance, some people conflate telepathy with both magnetoreception and electroreception.

I know quite a few soft scientists who will argue that telepathy has been successfully demonstrated in sharks.

Sharks can sense both low frequency electric fields and magnetic fields. Using these electromagnetic low frequency fields (ELFF), sharks locate fish living fish over short distances even when the fish are underground. Even a sense of smell shouldn't be able to locate a living fish underground. So obviously the sharks have telepathy.

Radical pair electroreception is the same as aura therapy. Since radical pair magnetoreception has been demonstrated in insects and birds, aura therapy has been demonstrated in insects and birds.

Since telepathy is not very well defined, one can define any physical process with telepathy. Then, proving the physical process is the same as proving telepathy.
 
Giordano said:
If one feels the need to explain how non-existent things work, then one should feel free to use any part of the electromagnetic spectrum that one wants. Although most people seem to prefer quantum something- perhaps entanglement- as an explanation. Why not? I've always been intrigued by the behavior of Ghz radio waves myself.
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I have found GHz xrays particularly compelling :D
 
WSEN said:
extremely low-frequency (ELF) electromagnetic waves may be able to carry telepathic and clairvoyant information.
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"Able to carry"? Certainly. But is the human brain able to send and receive such signals? Apparently not.
 
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