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Can anyone recommend any good books about the psychology of the fundie?

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For the last few days I have been reading the >10,000 post thread ironically titled "Evidence for why we knew the authors of the NT were telling the truth"*. One of the posters (if you've read it, you know who) has what is commonly refered to as a "god shaped whole in his head" and I have found his cognitive dissonance and confiramation bias truly fascinating.

Does anyone know of any good reading material, books or papers or whatever, that deal with the psychology of such people, like what these beliefs do to an otherwise normal psyche?

Thanks.


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Personally, I believe that most believers, especially the extreme fundies, exhibit a form of this. :) So I imagine a good book on that in particular might shed insight. Just my op.
 
Trent: good call! I've actually considered that.

In fact, in another JREF thread about Scientology, I followed a link to (sorry I can't link yet) "askthescientologist.blogspot" and found this:

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Saturday, November 28, 2009
Understanding the "Scientologist Attitude"
As an inevitable result of the collapse of the Church of Scientology, there are lots of Scientology true believers appearing outside of the church. There will be more.

This means that non-Scientologists are going to have a lot more exposure to the Scientology true believer's attitude and statements.

And this will, inevitably, be quite annoying.

To be specific, I am talking about the Scientology dogma and beliefs such as:

L. Ron Hubbard was a genius and was never wrong.
Scientology is perfect and can and will solve all the world's problems.
Scientology works 100% on 100% of the people.
Scientologists are homo novis, existing at a new, higher state of existence.
Disputing these "facts" with a Scientologist is a waste of time as they are forbidden from moving one inch from this ideology.

But there is something about this dogma and about Scientologists that you should know. It may help you tolerate Scientologists a bit more.

They actually know that those precepts are not true. If you can talk to many of them in a trusted, off-the-record environment, they will easily admit exactly that.

But any Scientologist, even outside the church, who wants to have the image of being a true Scientologist must echo these absolutes with never a visible question or doubt.

Scientologists must say these things, and they must believe these things and they must think these things, even though they really do know they are untrue.

It may be a bit difficult to understand how one can make oneself "think" something that one knows is untrue, but that is a skill that can be learned -- and Scientology does teach it.

Anyone who has studied Hubbard, especially any of Hubbard's lectures knows, without a doubt, that he was a story teller. The stories he told were quite fanciful and wondrous. Too wondrous. I've never met an ex-Scientologist who was ever surprised to discover the proof that Hubbard was, let us say, less than honest in his story telling.

As for the perfection of Scientology and the all-encompassing solutions it allegedly provides -- every Scientologist has experienced the failures of Scientology technology. Yes, every single Scientologist.

Sure, Scientologists have experienced some workable stuff, which is what convinced them to become Scientologists, but every single one of them has been promised "higher states of being" which, when they have "reached that level", be it Release, Clear or OT, has turned out not to exist.

Every Scientologist has experienced some "bad results" and "no results" from Scientology. So every Scientologist knows that Scientology is definitely not 100% workable on 100% of the people, they know that it does not have all the solutions.

And they do know that they did not become homo novis.

While true believers still believe that Scientology is mostly good, they do know those absolutes, as stated above, are definitely not true.

But they will continue to make those statements as if it were true because believing, thinking and saying those things are required by Scientology dogma. You cannot call yourself a true Scientologist unless you adhere to those requirements.

Which, by the way, explains why Scientologists are so strident and defensive about these precepts -- they know they aren't true and therefore they know they cannot prove them true, but they are still required to claim they are true.

And so Scientologists are very, very annoying and confusing to non-Scientologists.

Just understand that, beneath all those words and insistence on their dogma, all Scientologists really do know that these absolutes they are claiming for Scientology are not true.
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...I think that "I know it's not real but I don't want to be a spoilsport" is big with the members of all religions. I think a lot of them (this is just what I think, of course) really know it's not true but don't want to say anything. In fact, I think a lot of these really outspoken apologists are that way because in the back of their minds they know it's all bunk but try to cover those feelings up and deny them by being over-the-top with the whole god thing. The way many of them get angered over honest questions about their beliefs is something I have realized is a hallmark of Woo-practicioners. They often get angry and feel persecuted I think (source: none) because subconciously they know it is all silly but they have so much invested in it emotionally that they just can't ever admit it. That is why people who have been able to be honest with themsleves no matter how hard it was, like DDan Barker and Bart Ehrman, are truly commendable people. In fact, just a few days ago, Pharyngula mentioned and linked to an article by the esteemed Daniel Dennet about just that: priests and clergy who have lost their faith/Woo; however, most of them continue to pitch the Woo to their victims because they just can not deal with admitting they had been had by that con-job known as religion so like so many victims of Woo-related fraud they actually cover for those whom have tricked them.
 
It's not a psychology book per se, but I enjoyed "Crazy for God" by Frank Schaeffer.
 
How about Godless, by Dan Barker?

It's about his own experiences as a young fundamental preacher who genuinely believed that judgment day was imminent, and his gradual losing of his faith.

I saw him speak in Melbourne the other week, which was the first I'd heard of him, and found what he had to say . I'm planning on reading his book as a result, but haven't gotten around to buying it yet, so I can't tell you how good it is.
 
How about Godless, by Dan Barker?

It's about his own experiences as a young fundamental preacher who genuinely believed that judgment day was imminent, and his gradual losing of his faith.

I saw him speak in Melbourne the other week, which was the first I'd heard of him, and found what he had to say . I'm planning on reading his book as a result, but haven't gotten around to buying it yet, so I can't tell you how good it is.

This is the book I would recommend, too. It is a good book, describing how he went from fundamentalist preacher to atheist.
 
Why Smart People Believe Weird Things, by whoever it was, is supposedly a good read, too.

Personally, I believe that most believers, especially the extreme fundies, exhibit a form of this. :)
On Battered person syndromeWP:

The condition explains why abused people often do not seek assistance from others, fight their abuser, or leave the abusive situation. Sufferers have low self-esteem, and often believe that the abuse is their fault. Such persons usually refuse to press criminal charges against their abuser, and refuse all offers of help, often becoming aggressive or abusive to others who attempt to offer assistance. Often sufferers will even seek out their very abuser for comfort shortly after an incident of abuse.

{/armchair psychologist}
 
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Thanks respondees.

Why People Believe Weird Things is by Michael Shermer; I plan to read that.

Btw, I heard about a book on Theo Warner's YT channel (some of you might be familiar with him) called "The Fundamentalist Project". I looked it up; it looks pretty obscure but I might try it. Does anyone know about it, or have even heard of it?
 
Bob Altemeyer's work on authoritarian psychology might also be relevant.
 
For the last few days I have been reading the >10,000 post thread ironically titled "Evidence for why we knew the authors of the NT were telling the truth"*. One of the posters (if you've read it, you know who) has what is commonly refered to as a "god shaped whole in his head" and I have found his cognitive dissonance and confiramation bias truly fascinating.

Does anyone know of any good reading material, books or papers or whatever, that deal with the psychology of such people, like what these beliefs do to an otherwise normal psyche?

Thanks.

There are papers written on the subject. There was an article in SciAm Mind about 18 months back on the psychology of terrorists and fundamentalists which had some interesting info and linked to academic material.

Personally, I figure the beliefs don't do so much. It's rather that there is a psychological predisposition to this type of material created by underlying issues and at some point it just gets activated. This is what I'd say for Westerners. But of course if you're immersed in a fundamentalist culture, like some Arab countries seem to be, then the goalposts shift.

With Westerners there are classic traits that seem to lead to, for example, a predisposition to believe in conspiracy theories. People that go for theories which that portray the world as under
secret centralised control often seem to have authority issues around the father in my experience. Theories which relate to aliens often imo indicate dissociation. It's not exact science.

Nick
 
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