Can anyone explain this picture(s) to me?

[Bananaman]

BTW, it's worth noting in this photograph the word "SAVE" prominently spray painted on these beams. This is from from the engineers and technicians working in the investigation you people claim never happened going over each individual piece of structural steel from the WTC wreckage and marking the ones they wanted to send to the labs first.

They did not go straight to China, they did not collect 200 dollars, they went straight to girder jail where they were subjected to numerous tests in the most fabulously expensive incident investigation in the history of engineering science

Beautiful.

You know, this is why only a handful of the more self confidently deluded truthers post here. They just get hacked to pieces by explanations of reality. You have to be suspended in an ocean of fantasy to still try and argue with reality. In fact you have to be barking.

I think you know who I'm talking about.

Bananaman.

 

[leftysergeant]

As R.Mackey pointed out, thermite would leave a considerable white residue of aluminum oxide of the metal. I have made shaped thermite charges, but they do not cut that smoothly or leave such fine striations as are seen in any of the close-ups of the cut steel. They would also leave a crust that you could chisel your initials into and water would not wash it off.

A shaped explosive charge, such as is normally used in demolition work, would also not leave such striations in the cut. It would more likely produce a smoother cut in thin metal, or a granular texture in thicker metal, as it fractures the steel.

Having worked with all three methods for quickly cutting steel, this looks most like a torch to me.

 

[fuelair]

Sunni Man made a very informative and relevant post.

Thought that was worth mentioning.

I will back you on that. Credit when/where credit is due.

 

[fkwebinash]

You've gotta be frakking kidding me...

CUT... ON... THE... GROUND... BY... RESCUE/CLEANUP... WORKERS... WITH... WELDING... GEAR.

If are going to tell us with a straight face that doesn't sound plausible to you, then stop posting here. You're wasting all of out time, ours and yours.

That sounds a lot more plausible indeed. I forgot to say that the only plausible explanation I found was from the 9-11 truth movement, was mainly because I didn't find another explanation around, no matter how I searched it. That's why I posted here, to find an explanation that didn't come from the twoofers' side

Please, don't get me wrong. I'm not from the truth movement. I'm a skeptic, just as all of you guys and gals. I just found this picture, with the only explanation that was made by termite, I searched, didn't find anything, so I posted here to get a more plausible explanation.

 

[Minadin]

Beautiful.

You know, this is why only a handful of the more self confidently deluded truthers post here. They just get hacked to pieces by explanations of reality. You have to be suspended in an ocean of fantasy to still try and argue with reality. In fact you have to be barking.

I think you know who I'm talking about.

Bananaman.

My own personal favorite contradiction between conspiracy theories is when you have several of them arguing that heat cannot weaken steel, and others arguing that thermite was used to heat-weaken it in the WTC, while a third sub-set is trying to convince us that steel framing in a skyscraper acts as a super-conductive heatsink so that the heat is evenly spread, and yet some more of them are showing us pictures of steel actually being cut with oxy-acetylene torches, to convince us that thermite was used to cut the steel - presumably by heat.

It's the woo merry-go round. Nevermind that if the 3rd group's idea was correct, then any attempt at torch or "thermite" cutting would result in the steel doing nothing for a while, until the entire chunk you were trying to cut all reached the melting point at more or less the same instant. Doesn't sound like something you would want to be around with a hand-held torch and an oxygen tank, but maybe that's just me.

 

[Quad4_72]

That sounds a lot more plausible indeed. I forgot to say that the only plausible explanation I found was from the 9-11 truth movement, was mainly because I didn't find another explanation around, no matter how I searched it. That's why I posted here, to find an explanation that didn't come from the twoofers' side

Please, don't get me wrong. I'm not from the truth movement. I'm a skeptic, just as all of you guys and gals. I just found this picture, with the only explanation that was made by termite, I searched, didn't find anything, so I posted here to get a more plausible explanation.

So you saw a beam with a big slice in it and it never occurred to you that it could have been made by a cutting torch? We need to work on your critical thinking skills...

 

[Jonnyclueless]

I think someone should post that youtube video where they discuss the cut marks and include the interview with one of the steel workers doing the cutting. I jsut can't remember who did it or how to find it. It pretty much puts the nail in the coffin of this one.

 

[WildCat]

I think someone should post that youtube video where they discuss the cut marks and include the interview with one of the steel workers doing the cutting. I jsut can't remember who did it or how to find it. It pretty much puts the nail in the coffin of this one.

I think I found it! Towards the end (at the 1:30 mark):



If this doesn't settle it, I dont know what will.

 

[Quad4_72]

I think I found it! Towards the end (at the 1:30 mark):



If this doesn't settle it, I dont know what will.

Wildcat I don't think you watched that video close enough. If you look on the back of the guys hard hats in micro print it clearly says NWO cover up crew..

 

[jaydeehess]

My own personal favorite contradiction between conspiracy theories is when you have several of them arguing that heat cannot weaken steel, and others arguing that thermite was used to heat-weaken it in the WTC, while a third sub-set is trying to convince us that steel framing in a skyscraper acts as a super-conductive heatsink so that the heat is evenly spread, and yet some more of them are showing us pictures of steel actually being cut with oxy-acetylene torches, to convince us that thermite was used to cut the steel - presumably by heat.

It's the woo merry-go round. Nevermind that if the 3rd group's idea was correct, then any attempt at torch or "thermite" cutting would result in the steel doing nothing for a while, until the entire chunk you were trying to cut all reached the melting point at more or less the same instant. Doesn't sound like something you would want to be around with a hand-held torch and an oxygen tank, but maybe that's just me.

I had not made that connection before but I can tell you what the TuthMuuvment would say; " the torch is a lot hotter than an office fire".
Never mind that the heat output of the torch is puny compared to an office wide fire. You could show them the calculations of heat input, heat conduction rates and illustrate that the torch cuts BECAUSE steel cannot transfer the heat away fast enough to keep up with the input rate and that the heat input rate from a multi-floor fire would also be faster than the conduction rate and therefore the temp of the steel must rise local to the fires,,,, and they will still not get it.
Now one can forgive a person with no science background for not understanding this. Most people don't understand the difference between Farenheit and Celcius scales let alone the difference between heat and temperature. However, how does one forgive Jones and Griffen who should know?

I do love the imagery of putting a torch to a piece of steel and walking away, then after a sufficient amount of time goes by to heat the entire piece, it sags as the whole thing enters the plastic range.

I had always pointed out that the steel insulation was still intact on floors not hit by the planes and that any heat that did get conducted to cooler areas would not easily be radiated away because of that.

 

[jaydeehess]

Wildcat I don't think you watched that video close enough. If you look on the back of the guys hard hats in micro print it clearly says NWO cover up crew..

Right near the end, to the left of the sparks from the torch cutting, you can see me waving to the camera. Well, you could if the video was not so badly compressed. honest

 

[Alferd_Packer]

So has Plato2747 come back to this thread at all?

 

[jaydeehess]

RedIbis, post 39 stands un-commented upon.

 

[RedIbis]

RedIbis, post 39 stands un-commented upon.

Your assertion that:

Usually the cutter charge cuts a straight horizontal slash as well. Now if one cut at an angle then perhaps the two pieces might slide and a kicker might not be required but there is a reason that CD companies don't rely on such a method. It would be highly unreliable!

belies a lack of understanding proven by the pic I posted. I don't feel the need to respond to every post directed at me, especially those that are blatantly contradicted by easily obtained information.

 

[DGM]

Your assertion that:



belies a lack of understanding proven by the pic I posted. I don't feel the need to respond to every post directed at me, especially those that are blatantly contradicted by easily obtained information.

Just for my curiosity, You don't actually think this picture is proof of "thermite" do you? (fully expecting a no committal answer)

 

[RedIbis]

Just for my curiosity, You don't actually think this picture is proof of "thermite" do you? (fully expecting a no committal answer)

No, I don't. That's why earlier in the thread I rejected the claim that I had asserted it was thermite. It's evidence that shape charges are affixed at an angle to columns.

Is that committal enough?

 

[DGM]

No, I don't. That's why earlier in the thread I rejected the claim that I had asserted it was thermite. It's evidence that shape charges are affixed at an angle to columns.

The problem is it has no signs of explosive effects. The angle is unimportant. (hint...no compressed or rolled edges)

Is that committal enough?

Sure.

 

[Corsair 115]

You've
BTW, it's worth noting in this photograph the word "SAVE" prominently spray painted on these beams. This is from from the engineers and technicians working in the investigation you people claim never happened going over each individual piece of structural steel from the WTC wreckage and marking the ones they wanted to send to the labs first.

Years ago, on the program @ Discovery Canada, shown on Discovery Channel Canada, they had a piece where they followed one of the engineers who was inspecting the debris from the WTC towers and was spray painting the steel beams he wanted retained for further analysis.

 

[Quad4_72]

No, I don't. That's why earlier in the thread I rejected the claim that I had asserted it was thermite. It's evidence that shape charges are affixed at an angle to columns.

Is that committal enough?

Out of curiosity what did you think of the video that Wildcat posted? Watch it from 1:30 on and please let us know what your thoughts are.

 

[Dr Adequate]

Sunni Man made a very informative and relevant post.

Moreover, he's the one person on these forums whom the CTs can't suspect of being a shill, since obviously no Muslim fundamentalist could be mixed up in 9/11 in any way whatsoever.