Can anyone explain this picture(s) to me?

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I found this picture, and twoofers say it's hard cold evidence of the use of thermite in the pillars. This was also used on Alex Jones' Terrorstorm :covereyes

I don't really find a more 'plausible' explanation from the picture (In fact, the only explanation I could think of was the twoofer's one). Can you shed me some light on this one, please?

More pictures of the thermite theory. It's pretty much the same, so you may tell me only about the first one:

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I don't understand the last one very well. What does the piece of steel of the left picture means?
 
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Those are cuts made by salvage workers post-collapse. This photo has been discussed here literally a thousand times.

Thermite (of any variety) leaves a distinctive white powdery residue of metallic oxides. It is also totally unknown how to contain thermite into making such precise cuts, or why you would bother to do it at an angle.

Finally, there is no requirement to cut columns low in the structure at all. Bazant & Zhou etc. proved very early on that a collapse that began high in the structure would lead to a total collapse. Surely the New World Order would have known about this.
 
I can't see the photo (at work right now) but if it's the one I think you're using (i.e. the one with a single column at the center of the photo with an angled cut and a fireman or ironworker (not sure which) standing just to the right) then that photograph was taken about a month after the towers collapsed and the angled cut is likely from an oxyacetylene torch cut.
 
Sabrina said:
I can't see the photo (at work right now) but if it's the one I think you're using (i.e. the one with a single column at the center of the photo with an angled cut and a fireman or ironworker (not sure which) standing just to the right) then that photograph was taken about a month after the towers collapsed and the angled cut is likely from an oxyacetylene torch cut.
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That's the one. Thanks a lot, both you and R. Mackey.
 
R.Mackey said:
Those are cuts made by salvage workers post-collapse.
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Source?

It is also totally unknown how to contain thermite into making such precise cuts, or why you would bother to do it at an angle.
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You honestly have not heard of shaped charges being affixed at angle to make the columns "walk" inward?
 
This is the only thing you need to lok at to understand the photo in the OP.

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In particular, the bottom photo that show a worker making a similar cut.
 
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RedIbis said:
You honestly have not heard of shaped charges being affixed at angle to make the columns "walk" inward?
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Shaped thermite charges to cut at an angle? No, I haven't heard of those. Do you have any sources?

I thought the whole reason thermite was proposed by Jones was to explain the lack of loud explosive sounds just prior to collapse. If someone was using shaped charges, that implies kinds of thermite with a supersonic detonation speed, which would produce those loud explosions that no one heard. Why don't you make your ideas slightly less crazy by either claiming standard shaped charges that are known to exist, or the SBD thermite that melts steel non-directionally?
 
CurtC said:
Shaped thermite charges to cut at an angle? No, I haven't heard of those. Do you have any sources?

I thought the whole reason thermite was proposed by Jones was to explain the lack of loud explosive sounds just prior to collapse. If someone was using shaped charges, that implies kinds of thermite with a supersonic detonation speed, which would produce those loud explosions that no one heard. Why don't you make your ideas slightly less crazy by either claiming standard shaped charges that are known to exist, or the SBD thermite that melts steel non-directionally?
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Did I say thermite? Mackey brought that strawman into the discussion, not me.
 
RedIbis said:
Did I say thermite? Mackey brought that strawman into the discussion, not me.
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Uhhh, here you are clearly claiming that thermite was used as a "shaped charge." To wit:

Original comment: "It is also totally unknown how to contain thermite into making such precise cuts, or why you would bother to do it at an angle."

Your response: "You honestly have not heard of shaped charges being affixed at angle to make the columns "walk" inward?"
 
RedIbis said:
Did I say thermite? Mackey brought that strawman into the discussion, not me.
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None of the cuts in any of the columns shown in this thread are indicative of explosive shaped charges, and the original poster makes reference to the pictures as being explained in Tuth Muuvmint literature as indicative of thermire use. Thus when you mentioned shaped charges it was assumed you actually meant the post to be in this thread and were referring to thermite, shaped charges.
If you now wish to say that the pictures are not, as Jones and others state, indicative of thermite use then I and others here would agree with you.

If you further then are trying to state that they are indicative of high explosive shaped charges we can discuss that.

First thing that comes to mind is that in a normal controlled demolition using explosives the cutter charge is accompanied by a kicker charge to push the column out of line so that the upper part does not fall directly onto the lower part, which could cause them to bind together and arrest a collapse. There is no evidence on any cut portion of a column of a kicker charge.

Usually the cutter charge cuts a straight horizontal slash as well. Now if one cut at an angle then perhaps the two pieces might slide and a kicker might not be required but there is a reason that CD companies don't rely on such a method. It would be highly unreliable! Friction is dependant directly on the force applied between two surfaces for one thing, and the force on such a slash would be tremendous, it has the load of the building above it pressing the two together. Still it might work if one used a large enough cutter charge, OOPS that would now require immensely loud 'bangs' that are not in evidence as having occured.
 
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It's like a religious defender defending the Bible against evolution. Anything can be explained. Blowing up a column, destroying a foot of it? A-ok! Wait, maybe a shaped charge? A-ok! A death beam from space? A-ok!

That's not how critical thinking and science work.
 
Henry62, an Italian blogger and debunker, has a post at his blog that goes into depth regarding the pictures in the OP. Some were made with oxy-acetylene torches, while many were made with larger thermal cutters...essentially a cutting torch on steroids.
His post on it is here
There is a detailed look at thermal cutting technology here as well
 
jaydeehess said:
Usually the cutter charge cuts a straight horizontal slash as well. Now if one cut at an angle then perhaps the two pieces might slide and a kicker might not be required but there is a reason that CD companies don't rely on such a method. It would be highly unreliable! Friction is dependant directly on the force applied between two surfaces for one thing, and the force on such a slash would be tremendous, it has the load of the building above it pressing the two together. Still it might work if one used a large enough cutter charge, OOPS that would now require immensely loud 'bangs' that are not in evidence as having occured.
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You sure about all that...

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