Calls for a Cease Fire Are a Ploy

Mocking them? They are Americans.
IIRC, the USA supports Israel in this fight.

They should be getting in front of the cameras and denouncing the Hezbollah for ruining their lives! They should get in front of the cameras and demand the IDF hostages be returned to their homes, just as they came safely home by the courtesy of the American military.

The evacuation of foreign nationals from Lebanon is a direct result of Hezbollah starting a war against an American ally.

Hopefully they will arrest you for trespassing next time.
With the Lebanese flag?
 
Back from BWI again ----

As flights of evacuees continue to land at the gateway, I was again escorted out of the airport (with my Lebanese flag).

The answer given when I asked why, was that I had 'no reason' to be there.
When I persisted and said my 1st amendment rights are involved, the airport police laughed and told me to "complain to my congressman." (whatever that means)

BTW, I was issued a 'no-tresspass' order so if I choose to return and exercise my right to free speech (waving a flag) or to peaceably assemble (this is a totally public-accessible place, remember), I risk arrest.

My question --- is there a law that says I can't demonstrate at an airport terminal? Did they have the legal authority to get rid of me? Should I fight this?
 
BTW, I was issued a 'no-tresspass' order so if I choose to return and exercise my right to free speech (waving a flag) or to peaceably assemble (this is a totally public-accessible place, remember), I risk arrest.

My question --- is there a law that says I can't demonstrate at an airport terminal? Did they have the legal authority to get rid of me? Should I fight this?
I'm not sure. I seem to recall that moonies and other groups were successfully barred from passing out literature and other things (as was parodied hilariously in the first Airplane movie) at airports, perhaps this is the basis for your experience?
 
Accosting passers-by and interacting with them (hindering) is one thing.

Standing passively with a flag (or sign) is another.
 
Back from BWI again ----

As flights of evacuees continue to land at the gateway, I was again escorted out of the airport (with my Lebanese flag).

The answer given when I asked why, was that I had 'no reason' to be there.
When I persisted and said my 1st amendment rights are involved, the airport police laughed and told me to "complain to my congressman." (whatever that means)

BTW, I was issued a 'no-tresspass' order so if I choose to return and exercise my right to free speech (waving a flag) or to peaceably assemble (this is a totally public-accessible place, remember), I risk arrest.

My question --- is there a law that says I can't demonstrate at an airport terminal? Did they have the legal authority to get rid of me? Should I fight this?

As with most places, you probably cannot do it on the actual property. You can stand near the entrance or roadside, but being on the property you are subject to the rules of the airport. I don't know of any private or public place that you can do what your asking.
 
From what I read they were still on airport property. I admit I didn't read it all, but saw that the pedestrian walkway was still on the property. Where I live, there are workers protesting a mall for not using union workers or something. They have to use an intersection near the mall, but can't be on the parking lot or sidewalks leading into the mall. I am glad they can't or the airport would be full of causes.

That scene in Airplane is classic.:)

That reminds me. I was at Dallas airport and people were using an overpass on the road leading in to the airport to wave signs. Don't remember what it was for.
 
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My question --- is there a law that says I can't demonstrate at an airport terminal? Did they have the legal authority to get rid of me? Should I fight this?

The airport is private property. If you don't have business there, they can charge you with tresspassing.
 
I had 'business' there --- I was there to meet and greet fellow Americans who had fled a war zone, and show them how we in the United States support Israel, which is now trying very hard to restore the nation of Lebanon to control of the Lebanese and evict the Iran-Syria adventurists from having any major influence.

Even the Saudis have said they agree with that aim!
http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=072106B



Airport teminals, however, have not been granted the status of "public forums" yet -- it will take further court cases to get that to happen. I personally would love to open that can of worms, but the resources to do so are lacking... this would certainly be an excellent test-case, I feel, but since it's just little 'ol me against BWI, I think I'll just accept my cute no-tresspass warning and sit here quietly.
 
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Israeli envoy to U.S.: We will agree to cease-fire if captive soldiers released (Reuters)

Easy enough.
Nothing could be simpler.

Goldwasser and Regev (and Shalit in the bargain).
 
Israeli envoy to U.S.: We will agree to cease-fire if captive soldiers released (Reuters)

Easy enough.
Nothing could be simpler.

Goldwasser and Regev (and Shalit in the bargain).

Let's hope it happens.
 
Accosting passers-by and interacting with them (hindering) is one thing.

Standing passively with a flag (or sign) is another.
I suggest you stop acting like a prat and leave these unfortunate people alone when they are going through a very traumatic time.

Get your jollies elsewhere.
 
I suggest you stop acting like a prat and leave these unfortunate people alone when they are going through a very traumatic time.

Get your jollies elsewhere.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wahd2piIr4Q


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CoRfnIByq8


It's the Israelis who are going through "a very traumatic time" and the United States of America stands by Israel. I have every right under the sun on this great earth to wave an Israeli flag anywhere I damn well please.

And you know as well as I do that those 'unfortunate people' are victims of Hezbollah terrorism and Iranian adventurism, no less than the Israelis are victims now. The evacuees should be grateful that the IDF is sticking its' neck out to put those islamic fundamentalist maniacs in their place, and returning the Lebanon to the control of the Lebanese, and destroying the Iranian-proxy troublemakers.
 
Hezbollah's, the Lebanese government's, and others' calls for a cease fire are a ploy. They call for one because they are losing and Israel has them cut off and has the ability to continue to punish them severely.
Israel's response to the Gaza kidnapping sent a pretty clear message that Hezbollah failed to understand. This seems an irrational misjudgment on their part since Israel's response to the Hamas kidnapping action was to bomb Gaza. Did Hezbollah expect something different?

On the other hand, Israel's leaders seem genuinely surprised at the Hezbollah missile attacks and quality of resistance. Let's take a look back in three years and see if Israel's position is stronger or weaker in the region, or they are in a political and military morass.
Israel can wait this out a lot longer than can Hezbollah. Israel stands nothing to gain from a cease fire. Doing so would only allow Hezbollah time to regroup, reorganize, and rearm. Talks will accomplish nothing, as both sides are firmly entrenched in their positions. Hezbollah wants to keep its arms and to destroy Israel, and Israel will not negotiate with terrorists.
Yeah maybe. Hezbollah is a symptom though (yeah a big symptom). Destroying it does not remove the underlying sentiment behind why they are there. A ceasefire would probably be a 'reloading with longer range missiles' time. But Israel's bombing of Druze Christian and other non Hezbollah areas is going to make winning them over pretty hard.
A cease fire is a pipe dream for peaceniks who want peace at all costs.
I see the "war dream" like this: To win, Israel needs to be willing to win by destroying both Syria and Iran - period. There is no other way to achieve their goals. If they are not willing or incapable of that, they are just making their problem harder to solve.
Israel would be foolish to stop this military action it is winning. This blockade/siege may take weeks or months, but sticking it out will result in a surrender by their enemy. Hunger and fatigue will result in Hezbollah's resolve weakening, and eventually they will be less bold as they are now. They'll face pressure from within Lebanon and from other nations to give it up and they will, for now. It will take time and steadfast pressure and bombardment by Israel.
There are several considerations that make me doubt those outcomes:
  • Can the Israeli economy survive a war lasting 'months' at this pace?
  • Hezbollah will almost certainly come out of this with more support in the short term.
  • Longer range, and more powerful missiles will make buffer zones meaningless. I think the buffer zone notion might be a thing of the past for Israel.
  • The human stakes in the next Lebanon conflict will start much higher for Israel, with more deaths and damage.
  • US public opinion could turn against Israel: The potential damage done by bombing Druze Christians in Lebanon could be considerable. The Druze oppose Hezbollah and this will have an erosive effect on US support. Despite this being largely a political conflict, there are strong underlying religious sentiments that Israel ignores at their peril.
  • A major difference between 'them' (Radical Islam) and 'us' (Western mindset) is that they see the battle in a much longer time frame than we do. They are cool with this taking 200 years.

I think Israel will gain much more politically from other Middle East countries by demonstrating its strength and resolve and willinglyness to put its money where its mouth is. Folding to any negotiations will be seen as weakness, and in my opinion, a fatal flaw.
There may be a lot of truth to this, but kopji the cynic says Israel is already starting to see the value in 'folding', and it's taken less than a month. This will not go on for much longer unless it expands to other countries.


(edited to fix lists. I may not be right but I can at least make it look nice)
 
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