California Proposition 8

[maxfrost]

The California Supreme Court did what it was supposed to do--it looked at the evidence--and in the case of Proposition 22 the moderates on the court ruled that it violated the California State Constitution just as surely as if it had been a law banning "miscegenation."

Corrupt judges, Bob? Where is the evidence of corruption, other than the fact that you disagreed with the judges ruling?

Bob Blaylock's enthusiasm for the will of the people is predicate upon the people agreeing with him. Judging from other posts he's made, I doubt that he would have been anywhere as near as enthusiastic if Proposition 8 had been voted down.

 

[GStan]

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The reason we don't allow mothers to marry sons is because the children they could produce would have serious heath issues.

All marriages between close relatives are outlawed because the marriage can have a physical consequence to others, namely their offspring.

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What if they want to get married but have no intention of having children, or for that matter, even having sex?

Just sayin...

 

[Porkpie Hat]

I still want these ******** to look me in the eye and give me one tangible piece of harm that my marriage has done them. And yes, it has to be real actual harm, not just making baby Jeebus cry.

Terry,

I think I can answer your question.

A few facts about me before I start:
1) I’m a Canadian citizen.
2) Canada has legalized gay marriage.
3) I live in a small town.
4) My neighbors are legally married lesbians (just two).
5) My wife and I co-exist within the framework a “traditional marriage”.

I can’t speak to how your marriage has caused harm to those around you but I can speak to my particular situation and how it has caused harm to me and my “traditional marriage”.

It can all be summed up in one word: beer and beer. And beer.

It all started when the girls moved in next door around 1 ½ years ago. They were very upfront about being a married couple and just wanted to be treated as we would treat any of our other neighbors who co-exist within the framework of a traditional marriage.

No problem. Until one day when I was outside working on my yard and one of the girls started talking to me about hockey. Turns out she’s an avid hockey fan, as am I, and invited my wife and I over to watch the game. Still no problems.

Well, later on that evening my wife and I go over to their place and settle in to watch the Flames kick some Oilers butt. Everything was fine. We made small talk about a few trades in the works, how our goalie was playing…yadda, yadda, yadda. What happened next absolutely blew me away.

One of these fine hockey lovin’ ladies offers us a beer and we accept (naturally). She goes into the kitchen and returns with…(this is the scary part) a Wildcat!

Now I drink Alexander Keith’s and only Alexander Keith’s. It’s a fine beer brewed in one of the eastern provinces of Canada. Wildcat is cheap swill that smells of soggy bandages and tastes like the bottom of my shoe after mowing the lawn but before cleaning up the dog crap from said lawn.

I hid my horror well and managed to drink almost the whole can. To my amusement my wife liked it, she starts talking about how much she liked it during a commercial break. One of the girls mentioned how its one of the cheapest brews around and my wife, always looking for a bargain, quietly filed this information away for further use.

Well, our beloved Flames lost that night and my wife and I bid our neighbors good night and returned home.

The next day my wife had some shopping to do so I stayed home and played with the kids, did a little bit of housework…the usual Sunday routine. My wife got home around 2pm and I helped her offload the groceries then went back to doing some of the yard work I hadn’t finished the previous day.

Around 3pm I decided it was time for a break and went into the garage to get a beer out the fridge. I opened to door and to my everlasting shock and horror was confronted by a cat….a Wildcat to be specific. This was not good. I ran into the house and found my wife in the kitchen.

“What the heck is this?” I asked.
“What?” She said.
“This!” I replied holding up the can.
“Well its 4 dollars cheaper than the brand we usually buy.” She says.

That was over a year ago and I haven’t had a decent beer since.

I’m sure you now see the harm gay marriage can cause. Baby jeebus may not have cried but I sure as hell did and still do.

I’m not against gay marriage. I just think gay people should but better beer.

Thank you for letting me get that off my chest.

 

[Praktik]

Wildcat??

Too bad we dont do ballot initiatives up here - because I'd be out there rounding up signatures to ban that horrible brew...

Might as well drink a Miller Genuine Draft a Silver Bullet or the King of Beers - I think you've convinced me.

Gay marriage is DANGEROUS!!

 

[GStan]

Terry,

I think I can answer your question.

A few facts about me before I start:
1) I’m a Canadian citizen.
2) Canada has legalized gay marriage.
3) I live in a small town.
4) My neighbors are legally married lesbians (just two).
5) My wife and I co-exist within the framework a “traditional marriage”.

I can’t speak to how your marriage has caused harm to those around you but I can speak to my particular situation and how it has caused harm to me and my “traditional marriage”.

It can all be summed up in one word: beer and beer. And beer.

Darn. For some reason I thought that story was going to end with you sharing the steamy details of how drinking Wildcat beer turned your wife into a lesbian.

 

[NobbyNobbs]

Marriage is about the true love of Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.

Um...


Could you please point out in which Bible verse Adam and Eve got married?

 

[ponderingturtle]

Does this proposition affect civil unions?

Are there practical consequences or only symbolic ones?

It does not affect civil unions, but civil unions have different rights than marriages. I know NY state recognises foriegn homosexual marriages, I do not think they do anything for foriegn civil usions.

This is because inspite of what some people think, civil unions will never have all the legal precidents behind them that marriages do.

 

[Alferd_Packer]

IMO, it's destined to go before the US Supreme Court eventually. I can only hope that, when the opportunity arises, Obama will nominate Justices who respect the rights of all citizens.

If it does, there is very good legal precedent to overthrough the ban.

 

[Alferd_Packer]

Marriage is about the true love of Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"

 

[Alferd_Packer]

In 2000, the people of California spoke loud and clear when they passed proposition 22. We do not support the notion that sexual perversions are to be treated as equivalent to a normal, healthy family structure. Earlier this year, corrupt judges ignored the will of the people, and overturned 22. Last night, the people spoke again, and once again, the perverts lost.

You know, every time I run into someone like you, I suspect that they are repressed homosexuals themselves. Come out of the closet, Bob

 

[ponderingturtle]

Really, I think that the concepts of "man" and "woman" are pretty meaningful distinctions,

So you mean that people who do not fit cleanly into either sex should be denied any form or marriage then?

and the interactions between one of each of those is pretty significant. I am told that it could even affect your taxes in numerous ways. I'm not talking just about tax breaks for engaging in those interactions, either. Someone once told me that it could even somehow change the number of dependents you can claim. I haven't had time to look it up yet, but I think he may have been right.

And we know that the proper place for homosexual partners is as the state department defines it, lower than a dog.(they will give you money to relocate your dog to an overseas posting, they make sure they you get no help at all with a homosexual partner)

Whether one thinks it is a good idea to regulate, recognize, or reward such interactions is a subject for debate, but it's hardly "arbitrary".

It is pretty arbitrary, because the common definitions have no roll for people who do not fit cleanly into one or the other, and then you need to define exactly who is a man and who is a woman, something that is very very complicated in many situations. The easiest one is define them by if they can carry out the role of one of the sexes in sexual reproduction, but then women stop being women at menapause, so that is out.

The definitions of man and woman certainly are arbitrary.

 

[Alferd_Packer]

The comparison between banning gay marriage..and slavery/segregation/Apartheid is proposterous and insulting.

I interchanged the word gender for the word race in the quote below.

Marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man," fundamental to our very existence and survival.... To deny this fundamental freedom on so unsupportable a basis as the gender classifications embodied in these statutes, classifications so directly subversive of the principle of equality at the heart of the Fourteenth Amendment, is surely to deprive all the State's citizens of liberty without due process of law. . . There is patently no legitimate overriding purpose independent of invidious gender discrimination which justifies this classification.

Supreme Court decisions are great, aren't they?

 

[TriskettheKid]

You gotta love those religious zealots who haul out the Bible at the drop of a hat.

"Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve".......HA!

Seriously, why not get a proposition on the ballot to make it a capital crime for a child to be disobedient to a parent? Or how about a proposition to make it punishable by death to work on the Sabbath?

These people make me sick.

 

[Alferd_Packer]

With all this "Defense of Marriage" claptrap going on - how come we haven't seen any ballot initiatives banning divorce??

Because the religious fundamentalists don’t care about marriage. Not since Henry the VIII wanted to divorce his wife.

This is all about the gays. First they ban gay marriage. Then they will ban gay people from adopting children. Then they will work to ban gays from working in jobs that involve contact with children, like teaches, day care workers, pediatricians, Catholic priests, etc. Then they will ban gay people from having any contact with children whatsoever (even their family). Finally, all gay people or anyone who just “looks” gay will be stripped of their citizenship and shipped to Cuba.

 

[Alferd_Packer]

I just think gay people should but better beer.

Now, That's a waste of good beer!

 

[ponderingturtle]

That was over a year ago and I haven’t had a decent beer since.

Why don't you buy the beer yourself?

 

[Daylight]

Not sure what good this will do

http://www.petitiononline.com/seg5130/petition-sign.html

I’m hoping that somehow Prop 8 will be the last gasp of the campaign style of “make up any lie you want”. Most of the Prop 8 commercials and robo calls were pretty disgusting in their lack of truth.

 

[noch1Narr]

Passage of Prop 8 in California- one small "victory" for the religionists, one GIANT step backward for all decent, rational human beings!
Blaylock & Bellhaven-you're arguing from a bible standpoint and you deserve the contempt and anger of every decent, caring human being everywhere! You ought to enroll in tolerance 101, then follow up with courses in rationality and in compassion, none of which your bible evidently taught you.
If it were in my power, I would sterilize you, because this world does not deserve more of your tribe!

 

[Porkpie Hat]

Why don't you buy the beer yourself?

Spoil sport.

 

[Porkpie Hat]

Darn. For some reason I thought that story was going to end with you sharing the steamy details of how drinking Wildcat beer turned your wife into a lesbian.

No such luck.