California Prop. 19- Legalized Marijuana

[Thunder]

what I want to know, is if this Proposition 19 would make it ILLEGAL for an employer to forbid a worker to drive a bus or other vehicle, or operate machinery, when he comes to work stond.

I know it allowes employers to prevent workers from smoking weed while on the job, but what about folks who come to work intoxicated with marijuana?

will employers have the legal right to tell them to go home until they are no longer intoxicated?


...I have read the state provided ballot info packet. I have read info on a non-partisan website that explains new legislation. I have still have not found a concrete answer to this question. and if this question is not answered, then the measure should NOT pass.

 

[WildCat]

Do they let them operate the equipment while drunk?

 

[sinclairmcevoy]

Hmm. Interesting point. I suppose that proving someone is stoned on pot might have it's difficulties though. How could it be proven without infringing on their rights?

 

[portlandatheist]

Perhaps they should adopt the same policy they have about sniffing glue and driving.

 

[MaGZ]

what I want to know, is if this Proposition 19 would make it ILLEGAL for an employer to forbid a worker to drive a bus or other vehicle, or operate machinery, when he comes to work stond.

I know it allowes employers to prevent workers from smoking weed while on the job, but what about folks who come to work intoxicated with marijuana?

will employers have the legal right to tell them to go home until they are no longer intoxicated?


...I have read the state provided ballot info packet. I have read info on a non-partisan website that explains new legislation. I have still have not found a concrete answer to this question. and if this question is not answered, then the measure should NOT pass.

There is no need for you to worry. If the law passed it will never supersede federal law. It will just represent the sentiment of the voters.

 

[Praktik]

There is no need for you to worry. If the law passed it will never supersede federal law. It will just represent the sentiment of the voters.

Why do you love Big Government?

 

[Thunder]

Hmm. Interesting point. I suppose that proving someone is stoned on pot might have it's difficulties though. How could it be proven without infringing on their rights?

it is indeed a problem.

I have no problem with folks smokin' weed at home..and then passing out.

but smoking weed and then getting behind the wheel? no freaking way.

there must be some way for employers to be able to keep folks who are stoned from driving or using machinery.

and if not, than maybe weed should not be legalized.

 

[BenBurch]

Intoxicated driving, from whatever substance, is already illegal.

You can be convicted of it if the only thing you took was a prescription drug you had every legal right to take and where you were taking it as directed by your doctor.

 

[MaGZ]

Why do you love Big Government?

I don’t love Big Government. I would like to see several small governments in North America--one being a White Nationalist government.

 

[Praktik]

it is indeed a problem.

I have no problem with folks smokin' weed at home..and then passing out.

but smoking weed and then getting behind the wheel? no freaking way.

there must be some way for employers to be able to keep folks who are stoned from driving or using machinery.

and if not, than maybe weed should not be legalized.

But here's the thing. Millions of people in America are smoking weed NOW - it's not like this problem will go away if we keep it criminalized.

The driving angle is a good line for prohibitionists - but one of the issues with their stats is the long half-life of THC in the bloodstream. They test the bodies of drivers injured fatally in car crashes and some turn up positive for THC - was that joint smoked a week before? 3 weeks? Could be either. But all the people who tested positive are included in some arguments. This interesting meta-study of driving and cannabinoids is worth reading. Points for and against here it does strike a good balance, but takes note of the difficulties in accurately measuring pot's impact to fatal accidents.

When we also consider the fact that usage rates have gone down in other Western districts that have decriminalized, if driving is really your worry, maybe we should decriminalize or legalize - to remove the "forbidden fruit" effect!

 

[Praktik]

I don’t love Big Government. I would like to see several small governments in North America--one being a White Nationalist government.

Sure you do. You want Big Fed to step in and control what goes on inside a state.

Sounds suspiciously like something Abraham Lincoln would do...

 

[eeyore1954]

Hmm. Interesting point. I suppose that proving someone is stoned on pot might have it's difficulties though. How could it be proven without infringing on their rights?

Hold a twinkie in front of them and watch their reaction

 

[Praktik]

Hmm. Interesting point. I suppose that proving someone is stoned on pot might have it's difficulties though. How could it be proven without infringing on their rights?

You basically can only go by behaviour on the road and the presence of the smell of smoked marijuana in the car.

Bloodshot eyes and dilated pupils. Their responses to questions and general demeanour.

But no blood test will provide accurate results.

Thing is - how can we prove someone isn't high on oxycontin while driving? I'm sure the half-life is far lower, but there could be reasonable doubt for a while I'm sure.

There's no smell in the car either. Should we ban oxycontin?

 

[Puppycow]

It's definitely going to pass now:

Ziggy Marley sings for Prop. 19

 

[Fishstick]

You basically can only go by behaviour on the road and the presence of the smell of smoked marijuana in the car.

Bloodshot eyes and dilated pupils. Their responses to questions and general demeanour.

But no blood test will provide accurate results.

Thing is - how can we prove someone isn't high on oxycontin while driving? I'm sure the half-life is far lower, but there could be reasonable doubt for a while I'm sure.

There's no smell in the car either. Should we ban oxycontin?

Belgian police uses saliva tests instead/along with breathalyzers to now check for cocaine/weed/etc intoxication when driving.

 

[Praktik]

see science can find a way!

 

[eeyore1954]

Belgian police uses saliva tests instead/along with breathalyzers to now check for cocaine/weed/etc intoxication when driving.

I believe a twinkie or munchie test is more accurate to test for pot.

 

[El_Spectre]

Alternately, play some Phish and see if they think it really grooves, maaaaan....

 

[WildCat]

It's definitely going to pass now:

Ziggy Marley sings for Prop. 19

If Peter Tosh hadn't have been killed he'd be advertising it...

 

[Ladewig]

what I want to know, is if this Proposition 19 would make it ILLEGAL for an employer to forbid a worker to drive a bus or other vehicle, or operate machinery, when he comes to work stond.

I know it allowes employers to prevent workers from smoking weed while on the job, but what about folks who come to work intoxicated with marijuana?

will employers have the legal right to tell them to go home until they are no longer intoxicated?


...I have read the state provided ballot info packet. I have read info on a non-partisan website that explains new legislation. I have still have not found a concrete answer to this question. and if this question is not answered, then the measure should NOT pass.

If you have read the measure and found nothing indicating that employers would lose that right, then why do you think that the passage would make employers lose that right? Alcohol is legal and employers can send people home for being drunk.

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I believe a twinkie or munchie test is more accurate to test for pot.

Really? You are not worried about false positives from obese people?