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Buy the EMF Ghost Meter for ghost hunting

Ernie M said:
Oh, Olowkow, you started it...

QUESTION:
What do you get when you combine the "Director" of a paranormal group that appears on TV, with it's "Tech Specialist," "Electrical Engineer," and crowbar-wielding "Occult Specialist;" and have them in a bathroom with a TriField® Meter to find the source of an EMF spike?

ANSWER:
The statements: "There's no way that it could be coming from the pipe" because the pipes have no electrical current "Because they're copper."

The group was left feeling "frustrated," and the "client/homeowner" had a big hole in the wall.

I'll add a post here later this week with a link to my Web site when I have the episode review uploaded.
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***** ******* H ******! :scared:
 
If I remember correctly, Norman Edmund, the founder of Edmund Scientific, was at TAM 5.5 and is apparently a long time friend of Randi's. He's long retired of course and the company was sold some years ago. But I wonder if Randi knows of this sad turn of this company. (Come to think of it I am sure Randi has made mention of Edmund's woo-woo products since Mr. Edmund left the business....)
 
Ernie M said:
Oh, Olowkow, you started it...

QUESTION:
What do you get when you combine the "Director" of a paranormal group that appears on TV, with it's "Tech Specialist," "Electrical Engineer," and crowbar-wielding "Occult Specialist;" and have them in a bathroom with a TriField® Meter to find the source of an EMF spike?

ANSWER:
The statements: "There's no way that it could be coming from the pipe" because the pipes have no electrical current "Because they're copper."

The group was left feeling "frustrated," and the "client/homeowner" had a big hole in the wall.

I'll add a post here later this week with a link to my Web site when I have the episode review uploaded.
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Hey Ernie,
I wanted to tell you what a great job you do on your site. I just stopped watching that show, and then they started in on the children. Hysterical parents with serious issues scaring their children to death. Horrible, despicable people. Keep up the good work Ernie.
Thank you
 
Oh man, what a huge disappointment. A few years ago I started a (now vanished) appreciation thread about Edmunds, specifically because they had been doing what they do so well for so long without giving an inch to pseudoscience or woo. I see those days are well and truly over. Damn shame.
 
It could have been Sir Oliver Lodge. He was an eminent Victorian physicist who seems to have believed in an association between electrical and psychic phenomena. Sir William Crookes, another Victorian physicist, might be another guilty party.

Leon
 
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Zax63 said:
If anyone wants an alternative to Edmund Scientific try Spectrum Scientifics run by the forum's own kookbreaker.
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As I research this in more detail, I want to make sure that other science supply outlets aren't doing the same thing. If they aren't, then that could give me and other physics teachers (who send a lot of business Edmunds' way) a great deal of leverage in a proposed boycott of their company for promoting pseudoscientific nonsense.

I'm dead serious about this boycott idea. I have a lot of connections, some of them pretty influencial connections, in the physics education community in the U.S.

Grrrrr :mad:
 
Detect Paranormal Presences

The preferred unit of paranormal investigators, this Ghost Meter can be used by laymen with professional results. The unit responds instantaneously to EMF fluctuations and spikes in energy with a detecting range of 50 to 1,000 Hz. The VLF range is 1,000 to 20,000 Hz. An easy-to-read LED display and silent on/off push switch make for seamless, simple operation.

Its switch is rated for over 500,000 on/off cycles. The single axis unit has an accuracy of ±5% at 50-60 Hz. 9 VDC.

Hell has frozen over. I'm coming to the defense of a company.
The gadget does exactly what the company says it does.
It will give professional results. Ghost hunters do use them.
If someone has fallen for the misuse of the EMF detectors,
then "buyer beware" kicks in.
Ghost hunters also use thermal cameras to "find" ghosts
but the cameras only "see" solid objects.
 
MaryCBW said:
Detect Paranormal Presences

The preferred unit of paranormal investigators, this Ghost Meter can be used by laymen with professional results. The unit responds instantaneously to EMF fluctuations and spikes in energy with a detecting range of 50 to 1,000 Hz. The VLF range is 1,000 to 20,000 Hz. An easy-to-read LED display and silent on/off push switch make for seamless, simple operation.

Its switch is rated for over 500,000 on/off cycles. The single axis unit has an accuracy of ±5% at 50-60 Hz. 9 VDC.

Hell has frozen over. I'm coming to the defense of a company.
The gadget does exactly what the company says it does.
It will give professional results. Ghost hunters do use them.
If someone has fallen for the misuse of the EMF detectors,
then "buyer beware" kicks in.
Ghost hunters also use thermal cameras to "find" ghosts
but the cameras only "see" solid objects.
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What about the headline, "detects paranormal presences?"
 
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jimtron said:
Does anyone know where the EMF/ghost connection originated?
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It is a misunderstanding from the laboratory work of people like Michael Persinger. Persinger argues that low-frequency but temporally complex magnetic fields can impact on neuronal processes in vulnerable (i.e., less inhibited) brains - resulting in a magnetically induced hallucination. There is some evidence for this but also some controversy.

So, some science says complex fields might induce anomalous sensations in the brain which basically leads to hallucination - and thus can make one, in the proper context, think thery are experiencing a haunting / ghost / sensed presence - when in fact its nothing of the sort.

The woo woo never bothered to read beyond the abstacts however and merely took the two components of magnetic fields and apparitions and never looked into the suggested link - so they just joined the dots and hey presto.....nonsense...
 
MaryCBW said:
Detect Paranormal Presences

The preferred unit of paranormal investigators, this Ghost Meter can be used by laymen with professional results. The unit responds instantaneously to EMF fluctuations and spikes in energy with a detecting range of 50 to 1,000 Hz. The VLF range is 1,000 to 20,000 Hz. An easy-to-read LED display and silent on/off push switch make for seamless, simple operation.

Its switch is rated for over 500,000 on/off cycles. The single axis unit has an accuracy of ±5% at 50-60 Hz. 9 VDC.

Hell has frozen over. I'm coming to the defense of a company.
The gadget does exactly what the company says it does.
It will give professional results. Ghost hunters do use them.
If someone has fallen for the misuse of the EMF detectors,
then "buyer beware" kicks in.
Ghost hunters also use thermal cameras to "find" ghosts
but the cameras only "see" solid objects.
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I strongly disagree here. If Edmund was simply selling EMF detectors, and some yahoo out there wants to buy one to use in "ghost hunting", that would be one thing.

But Edmund is actively marketing this device - a mere EMF detector - as something that it is not: a ghost detector. THAT is the problem. When they started to endorse pseudoscientific nonsense in the promotion of their product, they crossed the line, especially because they are supposed to be in the business of providing equipment for science education.

Next thing you know, they're going to start putting creationist crap in the biology section of their catalog just because some whackjob creationist decides that they can use actual biology references to "prove" creationism. But I suppose you'd be okay with that, too?

Every physics teacher I've spoken with about this so far is in full agreement with me: Edmund is full of crap on this and should be held accountable.
 
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I agree. If at the end of the description it said, "this is what so-called ghost hunters use" or something like that, that would be OK. But the friggin' headline is: "detects paranormal presences."
 
I sent Edmunds an email respectfully expressing my disappointment that they had chosen to start carrying such items. To my surprise, I received a reply from the general manager saying that due to my feedback and others like it, he was reconsidering carrying these products. And I made it clear in my email that I'm not even a scientist or science teacher. If they received similar feedback from people who actually are part of their target market, it just might have an impact.
 
Quinn said:
I sent Edmunds an email respectfully expressing my disappointment that they had chosen to start carrying such items. To my surprise, I received a reply from the general manager saying that due to my feedback and others like it, he was reconsidering carrying these products. And I made it clear in my email that I'm not even a scientist or science teacher. If they received similar feedback from people who actually are part of their target market, it just might have an impact.
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Thanks for doing this, Quinn. I will likely be sending off my own email in the days to come, as well as encouraging others to do likewise. I suppose we should give them a chance to take this crapola off their website voluntarily before going into a boycott.
 
Quinn said:
I sent Edmunds an email respectfully expressing my disappointment that they had chosen to start carrying such items. To my surprise, I received a reply from the general manager saying that due to my feedback and others like it, he was reconsidering carrying these products. And I made it clear in my email that I'm not even a scientist or science teacher. If they received similar feedback from people who actually are part of their target market, it just might have an impact.
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It may be self-serving, but this is several times now that Edmund has pandered blatantly to the woo market. About 2-3 years ago Randi wrote about Edmund selling a very questionable medical device.

In the 70's, Edmund carried a lot of woo stuff, but that was the era of pyramid woo and the like. They eventually stopped carrying the item, not because of any letter campaign, but because they wanted to be taken seriously. The new owners (who are Boreal) have managed to increase sales, but they keep making mistakes like this.

When I was the PLM for Edmund, this stuff was waaayyyyy off the menu. The big thing at that time was questionable 'cell phone radiation' reducers.

And thanks for the plug Zax63.
 
If you want to see some young adults on Paranormal State who can't find the "true source" of EMF using a TriField® Meter, please click here.

But that's okay. They got to whack a big hole in a bathroom wall, and we got to see:

Ryan (PRS Director): You're telling me these pipes they have no electrical current what-so-ever?
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Josh ("Electrical Engineer"): No.
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Sergey ("Tech Specialist") Because they're copper.
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Maybe, just maybe, if the PRS had bought an Edmund Scientific's EMF Ghost Meter, which states "Detect Paranormal Presences," they would have found a ghost.
 
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