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Which leads to the question - why force a regime change in Iraq, but not any of the other murderous regimes around the world?
Bush's Iraqi Platitudes
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rikzilla
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Bush has never linked Iraq and 9/11. How dare you suggest such a thing! Why do you hate America so much?
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They did, it was glorious.
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I had a friend whose car caught on fire while he was driving in it. Luckily he didn't get burned, but it rattled him a little bit. The next day he bought a fire extinguisher for his house. I told him that was a stupid reaction, since his car catching on fire has no connection to whether or not his house catches fire, but he just mumbled something about how his "risk tolerance" had changed, which didn't make any sense. The idiot.
(the above is fictional)
Ziggurat
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So...you didn't have friend after all?
What - you're not my friend? I'm hurt, Mark. I thought we had something special.
What - you're not my friend? I'm hurt, Mark. I thought we had something special.
You promised you wouldn't tell...
Well, yes. It's called "locating two human beings in the region of opposing genders and suitable child-bearing capacity".
News Flash: Bush administration identifies WMD-construction capacity in Liberal Strongholds! Invasion of major cities to contain Democratic Terrorists Imminent!
Including the murderous regimes we're currently allied with ( *cough* *cough* *Pakistan* *cough*).
Charlie Monoxide
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D'oh! AT least I caught the new Simpsons ....
From Mark "Bush has never linked Iraq and 9/11. How dare you suggest such a thing! Why do you hate America so much?"
It's not that I just hate America, I hate babies, mothers, apple pies, parades, happy smiling children, soldiers in clean uniforms, and all those damn churches.
Charlie (can't help it, I'm a liberal) Monoxide
Me, too, I guess. But I only know that because conservatives shout those things at me all the time.
RandFan
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Damn conservatives. I say we round 'em up and shoot 'em, every last SOB.
I suggest everyone go out and buy the book called NeoConned, and read the first chapter interview with Jude Wanniski about Saddam Hussein. The facts show that Saddam Hussein routinely worked with Shiites and Kurds, including is later enemy Jalal Talabani. Saddam's government, to the last days, had Shiites in MANY high-ranking positions in the government; some of the characters in the "deck of cards" were themselves Shiites. There have been Kurdish and Shiite victims of the regime, but these were often terrorists(as in Al Dawa) or insurgents. Many of these insurgents were openly allied with Iran during the Iran-Iraq war.
What about gassing Kurds? Total B.S. Mass graves? Hardly. HRW insisted that there were mass graves all over Iraq, yet somehow they couldn't find any after the invasion. Naturally HRW took a play from the Bosnia handbook and claimed that someone moved the bodies all around the coutnry- and blamed the US military for not finding those graves. I guess they couldn't bring themselves to consider that maybe the graves just didn't exist.
You have to dig deep, you have to sift through a lot of political tripe, but when you get right down to it Saddam and the Baathist party do not even remotely resemble the charicature that the Western media concocted for them. Dictator? Defintely. Butcher of Baghdad? Nonsense. The irony is that all this anti-Baath propaganda is and will continue to fuel inter-ethnic strife and insurgency in the region.
What about gassing Kurds? Total B.S. Mass graves? Hardly. HRW insisted that there were mass graves all over Iraq, yet somehow they couldn't find any after the invasion. Naturally HRW took a play from the Bosnia handbook and claimed that someone moved the bodies all around the coutnry- and blamed the US military for not finding those graves. I guess they couldn't bring themselves to consider that maybe the graves just didn't exist.
You have to dig deep, you have to sift through a lot of political tripe, but when you get right down to it Saddam and the Baathist party do not even remotely resemble the charicature that the Western media concocted for them. Dictator? Defintely. Butcher of Baghdad? Nonsense. The irony is that all this anti-Baath propaganda is and will continue to fuel inter-ethnic strife and insurgency in the region.
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RandFan
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Well that would settle it.
Interviewer: Did you commit atrocities?
Saddam: No.
There you have it folks.
That was a typo- it should have read "interview with Jude Wanniski about Saddam Hussein". I already fixed it. However, as long as we are talking about the credibility of world leaders, it is good to point out that in the run-up to the war, Iraq had declared that it had no such weapons or programs. After the fact, it became apparent to the world that the US was lying while the Iraqi government was telling the truth. Can anyone give an intelligent reason why the US had more credibility than the Iraqi regime at that time? There seems to be an assumption that leading industrial countries are trustworthy while less powerful ones aren't. Obviously we have enough proof to the contrary.
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Tell us about Jude Wnniski and why he should be important?
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Zero,
There has been a lot of false propaganda about Iraq, the invasion of Kuwait, etc. However much of the claims have stood up to scrutiny. I have read claims that the Kurds were gassed by Iranians and other alternative theories. Also there is evidence that mass murder ended long before we invaded.
Skepticism and critical thinking demands a willingness to look at the evidence. Can you provide more than the name of a book?
There has been a lot of false propaganda about Iraq, the invasion of Kuwait, etc. However much of the claims have stood up to scrutiny. I have read claims that the Kurds were gassed by Iranians and other alternative theories. Also there is evidence that mass murder ended long before we invaded.
Skepticism and critical thinking demands a willingness to look at the evidence. Can you provide more than the name of a book?
From his biography: Jude Wanniski is founder and chairman of Polyeconomics, Inc. He holds a B.A. in Political Science and an M.S. in Journalism from UCLA. Wanniski was an economist under president Reagan and was an associate editor at The Wall Street Journal, where he coined the phrase "supply-side economics". "
Throughout the interview Wanniski slavishly cites sources for every point brought up; a number of these sources are actually defectors from the Saddam regime. That is defectors from his regime that actually defend the reputation of the regime. He is well connected with many important Iraqis and had been following Iraqi politics since before the first Gulf War.
However, the issue primarily isn't what evidence Wanniski brings to the table, but rather what evidence has NEVER been brought by those who would claim Saddam was the "Butcher of Baghdad". This of course, would not be the first time the US media has totally blown the image of an enemy leader way out of proportion- e.g. Noriega and Milosevic.