Bush Pulls Top Bodyguard From Scuffle

[crimresearch]

(I'm going to word this carefully, so as not to be in violation of forum rules)

Hmmm. Nine out of 42 is more than 21%. So would it be fair to say that any one president has a 1 in 5 chance of an attempt by firearms, successful or otherwise, on his life? If so, isn't it about time, statistically, to expect the next attempt?

And if that's so, what's megabrain GWB doing inviting trouble by mixing it up with his own trigger-happy guards and the mercurial and notoriously trigger-happy Chilean security people?

*sigh*

I loathe GWB personally, but I'd really much prefer not to see him a victim of some angry shouting redneck with an Uzi.

Zep, in all sincerity, is someone else posting under your name?

You used to make posts worth reading, and you used to be a poster that one could have a reasoned discussion with, but in the last two weeks, you've suddenly started making posts that are to put it bluntly, out of touch with reality.

Trigger happy? Rednecks?

Where are you getting these notions about the make up and actions of the US President's Secret Service details?

 

[Dorian Gray]

Bush was just defending his gay lover, so that later on that night, the guard could "take a bullet" for him. "He's with me."

 

[Zep]

Trigger-happy? Please enlighten me; when was the last time a Secret Service agent shot anyone? Can you say you've even seen one with a drawn gun since 1981, when Reagan was shot? And on that occasion, with three people lying wounded on the sidewalk and Reagan in his limo with a bullet just an inch from his heart, did the "trigger-happy" Secret Service return John Hinckley's fire?

Trigger-happy? That agent was trying to do his job, which is to personally keep his own body between the president and a moving bullet. How is that "trigger-happy"?

You seem to have a different definition of the term from the commonly-understood one.

Since I don't make a habit of trailing the president of the USA and making careful note of if and when his security people draw weapons and such, why don't you tell me.

 

[Zep]

Zep, in all sincerity, is someone else posting under your name?

You used to make posts worth reading, and you used to be a poster that one could have a reasoned discussion with, but in the last two weeks, you've suddenly started making posts that are to put it bluntly, out of touch with reality.

Trigger happy? Rednecks?

Where are you getting these notions about the make up and actions of the US President's Secret Service details?

(a) Both sets of security were carrying. And not just BB guns.
(b) All of the SS are sworn to "take one for their leader", they are SERIOUSLY dedicated folks.
(c) All of them lost their cool, tempers were VERY high, lots of shouting, and everyone was pushing and shoving.
(d) The Chilean security folks are not backward at brandishing weapons to persuade other folks to agree with them.
(e) Anything, ANYTHING could have happened in that particular melee as a result.
(f) Bush climbs INTO the fray have a go himself...

Now I ask again: Is that the move of a wise man?

 

[BPSCG]

Since I don't make a habit of trailing the president of the USA and making careful note of if and when his security people draw weapons and such, why don't you tell me.

Okay, I'll cut you a little slack on the assumption that the other side of the planet is not as fascinated with the day-to-day activities of the U.S. president as we are here. So, to answer my own questions:

• Please enlighten me; when was the last time a Secret Service agent shot anyone?
  
  Answer: 1950, during an attempt on President Truman's life.
  
• And on that occasion, with three people lying wounded on the sidewalk and Reagan in his limo with a bullet just an inch from his heart, did the "trigger-happy" Secret Service return John Hinckley's fire?
  
  Answer: No, they did not. They drew their guns, which made perfect sense until they were sure that Hinckely was the only assassin.

These guys are not trigger-happy, though I'm sure there are a lot of people who would just love it if they were ("See? Crazy American cowboys in love with their guns...").

 

[H3LL]

Is it just me, but can anyone see slight evidence of the "Mysterious Bulge" (although a bit lower) that so much fuss was made of pre-election?

What is the excuse this time. I'm sure 'W' didn't need instructions what to say this time... or then again...

 

[richardm]

Perhaps it is paranoid of me to entertain these thoughts, but I think it is absolutely possible that the Chilean security was aware of the plan, and simply trying to flex their muscle.

I think that it's evident (or should be) that the presidential bodyguard are a very professional and motivated bunch of people.

But in fairness I'd propose that there's another possibility, which is that originally the plan was that the secret service guys were going to wait outside. Then, they saw the standard of security on the day and weren't happy, and tried to push themselves in. The Chileans weren't having any of that, and the shoving match got started.

 

[Zep]

For all that was known AT THE TIME, it COULD have been the two security teams subduing a potential [bomber|gunman|protester|kook] or two. In which case they were doing their jobs, even if it would have been all chaos and mayhem (seems to be the usual thing in such situations).

And yet Bush climbed right into it...

I DO NOT understand what possessed him to do that in a situation like that.

 

[dsm]

For all that was known AT THE TIME, it COULD have been the two security teams subduing a potential [bomber|gunman|protester|kook] or two. In which case they were doing their jobs, even if it would have been all chaos and mayhem (seems to be the usual thing in such situations).

And yet Bush climbed right into it...

I DO NOT understand what possessed him to do that in a situation like that.

Well, to be fair, more than likely, there was probably a lot of shouting going on and the President probably knew all of his bodyguards by voice and face, he could've known what was going on and assessed the situation.

Was it just one bodyguard that was detained or all of Bush's bodyguards? If it was just the one, then why didn't the other bodyguards move in when the President turned around?