Bush Ads Exploit 9/11 Victims

[specious_reasons]

Hmmm..... I haven't seen any planes running into any buildings lately.

This is a fallacious argument.

1) There have been attacks on US military and non-military targets by terrorists (presumed to be Al-Qaeda) since 9/11/2001. In fact, throughout the history of Al-Qaeda, the majority of attacks on US targets have been overseas.

2) As the public, rarely do we see terrorist plots foiled. To have an objective measure of how well the Bush Admin is doing, we'd have to know how many terrorist plots are known, and how many of them were stopped. To be completely objective, we'd also need to know how many are actually planned, too.

Judging the President on how many planes fly into buildings isn't a very good measure.

 

[Luke T.]

I wonder if FDR "exploited" Pearl Harbor.

 

[DaChew]

For being a "uniter, not a divider" it is very polarizing to suggest that your loyal opponent wouldn't have done everything in his power.

I don't see that. To me, the ad says "this was an extraordinary time and I showed good leadership through it." I don't see where it implies anything about anyone other than Bush. That ad may well be on it's way down the line but this seems to be an advocacy ad rather than an attack ad. In the not too distant future I fear that we may well wish for the days of campaign ads like this.

 

[specious_reasons]

And if we want to be simplistic about it, the only time it happened was on his watch.
Cuts both ways.

Didn't some lunatic crash a small plane into the White House during the Clinton years?

 

[clk]

Is it appropriate to use images of, or even the event at all?

IMO, it is in poor taste to use images of 9/11 in the way that they did.

However, suppose that the commercials would have used images such as this instead:

Would that have been OK? That would have been fine by me, because he was exercising leadership at that time. But I'm wondering if anyone would have a problem with such an image as above.

 

[clk]

I got a rock that protects me from tigers.

I would like to buy your rock. How much you asking for it?

 

[subgenius]

Didn't some lunatic crash a small plane into the White House during the Clinton years?

Yep, and that was bad too. Think even the pilot walked away but your point is noted for the record.

 

[Brown]

Consider: Assuming the terrorist groups would love to see Bush thrown out of office by the November elections, which course of action should they take: (1) stage another major incident in the months before the election, or (2) remain quiet.

 

[Nie Trink Wasser]

I watched that ad when it came out last night.

the claim that it exploits 911 victims is ridiculous. It shows a brief image of a flag with the building in the background and NEVER MENTIONS 911, simply says tough times.

you goons are desperate, as usual.

is the president and everyone in a america supposed to just pretend like it didnt happen ? IT HAPPENED and as a result national secutity and blahblah has radically changed the whole PLANET.......and yet you say he's exploiting 911 by mentioning it as part of his term......


you people are a joke.......and boring one.........one that makes you have to go defecate...

its all true....

 

[subgenius]

clk: "IMO, it is in poor taste to use images of 9/11 in the way that they did.

However, suppose that the commercials would have used images such as this instead:"

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Yeah, I got a problem with using anything to do with it.
And in the picture he is probably literally standing on human remains.
If this area is the place of final repose for many loved ones, its less than respectful to make it a flag waving photo op.

 

[subgenius]

Not just a partisan issue:

"Barbara Minervino, a Republican from Middletown, N.J., who lost her husband, Louis, in the attacks, questioned whether Bush was "capitalizing on the event.""
(AP)

 

[clk]

Yeah, I got a problem with using anything to do with it.
And in the picture he is probably literally standing on human remains.
If this area is the place of final repose for many loved ones, its less than respectful to make it a flag waving photo op.

I don't like Bush, and I would love to see him get his ass kicked in November, but I strongly disagree on your photo op point. I don't think Bush was thinking "hey, I think I'm going to go down to NY and meet with the firefighters so that I can use the photos for re-election." I think his effort on the days after 9/11 was sincere, and he did an excellent job in the days after 9/11. If the White House wanted to argue this, how could they do it without offending people? What if they showed pictures such as this:

It is not a picture of the site, but a picture of Bush meeting with Guiliani and Pataki. Would that be OK?

 

[Nie Trink Wasser]

Not just a partisan issue:
"Barbara Minervino, a Republican from Middletown, N.J., who lost her husband, Louis, in the attacks, questioned whether Bush was "capitalizing on the event.""
(AP)

what if the question she asked was "so did the commercial show explosions? "

worm.

 

[subgenius]

Maybe someone can explain the psychology behind someone on a forum who constantly insults "you people".
In a different thread. I have reported the post for vulgarity.

 

[subgenius]

clk: "It is not a picture of the site, but a picture of Bush meeting with Guiliani and Pataki. Would that be OK?"

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Not to me. But its certainly something reasonable people can differ on.

 

[Luke T.]

How odd it would be if Bush never mentioned 9/11 in his ads, eh? As if it never happened.

It would almost be like Kerry never mentioning his Viet Nam experiences, and not exploiting the tens of thousands of Americans and Vietnamese who died.

 

[Grammatron]

How odd it would be if Bush never mentioned 9/11 in his ads, eh? As if it never happened.

It would almost be like Kerry never mentioning his Viet Nam experiences, and not exploiting the tens of thousands of Americans and Vietnamese who died.

Interesting viewpoint, I never considered it like that.

 

[tim]

Nie Trink Wasser
Why do you think abusing other posters furthers your argument?
IMHO it merely reflects badly upon you.

 

[RandFan]

I'll do my best to keep you wild animals corralled.
The topic is whether its appropriate to use 9/11 itself and the horriffic images in particular, in ads, or to my mind, the campaign at all.

Transleted: I'll do my best to keep any context out of the discussion.

For being a "uniter, not a divider" it is very polarizing to suggest that your loyal opponent wouldn't have done everything in his power.

Any suggestion is in your own mind. The point is not what others might have done but what in fact Bush did.

 

[Upchurch]

I watched that ad when it came out last night.

the claim that it exploits 911 victims is ridiculous. It shows a brief image of a flag with the building in the background and NEVER MENTIONS 911, simply says tough times.

you goons are desperate, as usual.

is the president and everyone in a america supposed to just pretend like it didnt happen ? IT HAPPENED and as a result national secutity and blahblah has radically changed the whole PLANET.......and yet you say he's exploiting 911 by mentioning it as part of his term......


you people are a joke.......and boring one.........one that makes you have to go defecate...

its all true....

[modu]This post has been reported for being vulger.

While rude, this post does not violate forum rules. I would encourage Nie Trink Wasser to be more civil in his posts and, failing that, I would encourage other posters to ignore him.

I note that the post has been modified. Perhaps the vulger material was voluntarily removed?[/modu]