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Bus stop lady

Wholly irrelevant to the thread's contents: I keep reading the title to the tune of Bus Stop from The Hollies.
 
OnlyTellsTruths said:
Yeah epepke, I understand if you don't want to, but if you start a thread in Forum Community, maybe even just copy that post to it with additional info about your general location, I'm sure there are many of us that can and will help.
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epepke:
You have an interesting perspective. I'd like it if you just started a thread about you... I would read it appreciatively.
 
I think...I know, this is touchy. Bear with me.

But as to forced medication, I can kind of see where it might be...acceptable for some people to be forced for a very short time to take meds, only if doing so helps clear their thinking enough so that they can decide to continue or stop. If you can't think, can't hold onto a cogent thought, how do you even get to make that choice?

Each person would have to be evaluated to discover if this is even a viable thing to do. And it would be temporary: you become more cogent, and then you decide. I just don't see how a person could decide that if they aren't really in their heads...

But I don't like force in general, so maybe this is a horrible idea. I just wanted to mention it, that's all.
 
Even those with minor mental problems may not understand just how much medication will actually help them. As a child I remember putting up a huge fuss about not wanting to take Ritalin. My parents pushed me to just try it for a month and I was stunned at how much better I could concentrate and get my work done.

If an adult doesn't have family or friends to push them into trying the medication, just for a little while, they may not even know what they are missing. They may think that they will never fit into normal society when they could be just fine if they only had some pharmaceutical help.
 
slingblade said:
I think...I know, this is touchy. Bear with me.

But as to forced medication, I can kind of see where it might be...acceptable for some people to be forced for a very short time to take meds, only if doing so helps clear their thinking enough so that they can decide to continue or stop. If you can't think, can't hold onto a cogent thought, how do you even get to make that choice?

Each person would have to be evaluated to discover if this is even a viable thing to do. And it would be temporary: you become more cogent, and then you decide. I just don't see how a person could decide that if they aren't really in their heads...

But I don't like force in general, so maybe this is a horrible idea. I just wanted to mention it, that's all.
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Would you do it for other medical conditions?
 
Weak Kitten said:
Even those with minor mental problems may not understand just how much medication will actually help them. As a child I remember putting up a huge fuss about not wanting to take Ritalin. My parents pushed me to just try it for a month and I was stunned at how much better I could concentrate and get my work done.

If an adult doesn't have family or friends to push them into trying the medication, just for a little while, they may not even know what they are missing. They may think that they will never fit into normal society when they could be just fine if they only had some pharmaceutical help.
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Non-compliant people usually have a reason for it, like lack of response and side effects.
 
Dancing David said:
Would you do it for other medical conditions?
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What do you mean? If you are cogent and refuse your chemotherapy? No, you're cogent.

If you are not cogent, but a limited term of medication can make you cogent enough to accept or deny treatment, then yes. But I mean limited. Just long enough that you can decide.

I did say it was probably a terrible thought, so I expect to not be badgered about this, given that admission.

I just wonder how we give someone a choice if they can't function to make a choice, unless we make them take some meds for a short time so they can function.
 
Howie Felterbush said:
I ended up talking to the fuzz because the guy from Publix that found the body told them I knew the guy. They didn't seem real confident that they would find the people that killed him. As far as I know, they never did. Sometimes I kind of wish I could have found them, if you know what I mean.
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I *do* know what you mean, FSM bless you. There are many times when I wanted to take justice into my own hands, but reason prevailed.
 
slingblade said:
What do you mean? If you are cogent and refuse your chemotherapy? No, you're cogent.

If you are not cogent, but a limited term of medication can make you cogent enough to accept or deny treatment, then yes. But I mean limited. Just long enough that you can decide.

I did say it was probably a terrible thought, so I expect to not be badgered about this, given that admission.

I just wonder how we give someone a choice if they can't function to make a choice, unless we make them take some meds for a short time so they can function.
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Someone can not be cogent in some aspects of their life yet have sensible reasons for not wanting to take meds. If someone says "I can't take my pills because otherwise my socks are going to come to life and strangle me" then maybe there could be an argument to coerce someone into taking their meds. But a lot of the problems I've had with meds and known other's have are more along the lines of not wanting them because they make people feel tired, make them fat, make them not feel like themselves, flatten out the good bits of their mood as well as the bad.
 
BenBurch said:
I *do* know what you mean, FSM bless you. There are many times when I wanted to take justice into my own hands, but reason prevailed.
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I was associating with an...unsavory...crowd at the time. We sort of rode around looking for these guys, but had no luck. A couple of the homeless people we knew thought they knew who the thugs were, but we never did find them.

I'm older and wiser now, and I'm glad we never found them, because I probably would have wound up getting sent up for chain-whipping a couple of scumbags to a highly deserved death. Hopefully, the old saying "what comes around, goes around" finally got around to them.
 
slingblade said:
What do you mean? If you are cogent and refuse your chemotherapy? No, you're cogent.

If you are not cogent, but a limited term of medication can make you cogent enough to accept or deny treatment, then yes. But I mean limited. Just long enough that you can decide.
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Well that really depends, some people take a very long time to approach normalcy, it would be a mistake to think that a short time of dosing might produce rational thought. I have met people who were cogent, coherent and a threat to themselves and others as well.

I did say it was probably a terrible thought, so I expect to not be badgered about this, given that admission.

I just wonder how we give someone a choice if they can't function to make a choice, unless we make them take some meds for a short time so they can function.
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I wasn't flaming you, just asking.
 
mediocrity511 said:
Someone can not be cogent in some aspects of their life yet have sensible reasons for not wanting to take meds. If someone says "I can't take my pills because otherwise my socks are going to come to life and strangle me" then maybe there could be an argument to coerce someone into taking their meds. But a lot of the problems I've had with meds and known other's have are more along the lines of not wanting them because they make people feel tired, make them fat, make them not feel like themselves, flatten out the good bits of their mood as well as the bad.
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Yeah, because I totally meant a one-size-fits-all, everyone is exactly the same approach.

Never mind, I figured it was more likely to be misunderstood than discussed.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
slingblade said:
Yeah, because I totally meant a one-size-fits-all, everyone is exactly the same approach.

Never mind, I figured it was more likely to be misunderstood than discussed.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
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So if people are ony allowed to agree with you, how does that aid discussion?:rolleyes:

My point being, I think it is very difficult for medical professionals to accept that people with mental illness may have valid objections for not wanting their meds. If someone is too paranoid to leave the house, then are doctors likely to take their concern about weight gain on meds seriously, or are they likely to be of the opinion that enabling someone to get out and about should be more important to their life than weight gain? My experience is that doctors are more likely to try and persuade patients that their complaints are trivial in the context of their illness instead of working to find a viable alternative.
 
slingblade said:
I think...I know, this is touchy. Bear with me.

But as to forced medication, I can kind of see where it might be...acceptable for some people to be forced for a very short time to take meds, only if doing so helps clear their thinking enough so that they can decide to continue or stop. If you can't think, can't hold onto a cogent thought, how do you even get to make that choice?

Each person would have to be evaluated to discover if this is even a viable thing to do. And it would be temporary: you become more cogent, and then you decide. I just don't see how a person could decide that if they aren't really in their heads...

But I don't like force in general, so maybe this is a horrible idea. I just wanted to mention it, that's all.
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To me as someone who has never been in this kind of situation, or known anyone in this kind of situation, this actually sounds like a good idea.
 
mediocrity511 said:
So if people are ony allowed to agree with you, how does that aid discussion?:rolleyes:

My point being, I think it is very difficult for medical professionals to accept that people with mental illness may have valid objections for not wanting their meds. If someone is too paranoid to leave the house, then are doctors likely to take their concern about weight gain on meds seriously, or are they likely to be of the opinion that enabling someone to get out and about should be more important to their life than weight gain? My experience is that doctors are more likely to try and persuade patients that their complaints are trivial in the context of their illness instead of working to find a viable alternative.
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We aren't discussing at all if it's possibly practical in a limited sense and for only a few patients.

It appears to me you're trying to say we shouldn't even consider the idea at all, because of those who have "valid objections." So, again, it appears the response is "don't even bother to try or consider it; if it won't work for everyone, it won't work for anyone."
 
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