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Bus stop lady

Bingo. Got it in one. (Please don't take the rest of what I say as particularly directed at you; if anything, it's less directed toward you.)

People don't want to talk to the down-and-out. They want to categorize them to make them feel good about themselves. If they are to the right, they have a self-aggrandizing moral story about sin or hard work or substance abuse. If they are to the left, they have a self-aggrandizing story about mental illness or homelessness. If they are not in the US, they tell themselves it never happens here (which is false; there are plenty of statistics, but you haven't heard of them). In all cases it is the process of pouring down a layer of insulation between oneself and Those People.™ Whether contempt of sympathy or "not in my country," the thing is distance.

It's possible that the distance is because people know that it could happen to them, at any time, without warning. Rather than stopping this, people adopt elaborate mechanisms not to see. Of course, fora like this one is a place you can go go avoid the hoi polloi. Bus Stop Lady™ isn't going to show up here.

However, I am. Some people know me, and I think honestly that they only thing you can find wrong with me is that I am on the obnoxious and hostile side. (My obnoxiousness is why I'm writing this. I am quite aware this is an act of arrogance.) I freely admit that not only that I am, but I am more so than I used to be. A long time ago, I used to get depressed, and drugs helped, but not any more (I don't get depressed, and drugs don't work). Really, though, my only problem is an income.

Really, three weeks working, at anywhere near the kind of income that is appropriate, and my life would be fine. Three weeks. Not everything would get fixed—most of my possessions would still be gone, never to return—but at least my pseudo-friends are gone, too.

Without that, I literally face death, not in years or months but unknown in possible days.

So, let's see, all I need is a job, right? So every night with the computer I do have, I send out several resumes a night, and some other people do that for me. But then, I have to think of things. I have six remaining teeth up front on the bottom, and eight on the top. What am I going to do in an interview, not smile? I belch and fart. This is possibly related to the stent I got between my pancreas and stomach to fix a problem that was killing me by slow starvation. Is it? I don't know. I cannot afford a medical appointment. That comes after the three weeks.

I get plenty of interest for people who want to hire me. A few miles away. It might as well be the moon. There is just no way I couldn't even live for three weeks. No car, either. It was repossessed within $2000 of being paid off. Rent a car? No money. No credit card anyway. Nothing I can do. Easier job within walking distance? Who the hell is going to pay me at a menial position with my history? "You wouldn't be happy doing this." Well, not being able to afford a candy bar let along gasoline is really making me cream my jeans right now! (Which, I have to say, are hand-me downs, because used jeans are $7 at Goodwill which is far beyond my budget.)

You have to risk money to make money. You have to have money to make it. Well, a couple of months ago, I got a promise of a position from a headhunter in San Francisco. Nice; I could have survived. Nay, thrived, at $52 and hour. So I went. Turned out to be that headhunters have gotten a lot less professional. Some can tell me it's my fault, even though I had been dealing with headhunters for more than a decade and never been treated unprofessionally. But, yeah, it was stupid of me.

Still, when I was there, I came across a guy who was pushing a cart along the street. So I talked to him and stopped him. He got a bit tight in his body language when he started to think I was a "helper," but then I just talked to him. I learned some fascinating things. I won't tell you them, though. They'd just make you unhappy. Think of him as a Whatever It Is.™ Doesn't really matter, as long as he's in a little box, and you can make a safe little story.

So anyway, I've been sponging off remaining friends. It's amazing how few one finds out one has. It hasn't worked. I have one more left. When I was a kid, I had an ear infection. They were down to one last antibiotic. They were scared to try it, because if it didn't work, I'd die. Same thing with this one last move. I blew all possible cash reserves on following up on a fake job opportunity. There are no more. There won't be any more.

How did I get into this position? Who cares? Literally. Your world has to make sense. It has to be a fair and just world. So whatever it is, whatever I say must be wrong, .

You do not want to understand this, either, but being in the position of constantly facing the possibility of oblivion has an effect. Either one succumbs to depression, which I have decided not to, or one becomes amused. Ultimately, does it matter if I exist? I got this way by sacrificing for someone with health problems, whom I wanted to support and get better. So I did. My resources went to her. And now, whether or not she is getting better, she has decided that everything I did to help her, all the money, all the times I wiped her ass with the bead pan, all of that was because I have a Huge Ego and think that the whole world revolves around me. So I'm gone, and at least half the people who were helping me out during that time are gone, too, and good riddance.

That was stupid of me, of course. Sacrificing always is. It does nobody any good. I'll prove it. Let's say there was someone who thought that being good to someone, sacrificing for them, is good. Say Person C thinks that Person A is good for sacrificing for Person B. Well, the sacrifice has to stop eventually. Person A either runs out or dies. If Person A runs out, then by the same token, Person C will decide Person A has become bad for not doing the good thing any more. Or else Person A is dead. QED.

Look, I know people don't care. That's the point. The fact that I know you don't care, though, has to affect my thinking. Should I survive? Should I triumph again? Should I die? Should I wind up in a bus stop? The point is that, from your shared culture with others, it does not make the slightest bit of difference, provided that you be able to insulate yourself from and therefore not think about me.

That kind of knowledge, that by popular consent, one does not matter, hardens the mind in certain ways. Some wind up polishing plexiglas with newspaper. Some wind up writing the things I write, taking the bigger, more meta-approach. Since it does not really matter, then I accept that my life doesn't matter.

A little wistful slice-of life about Bus Stop Lady who is not even human enough to warrant a name. A little tongue-clicking, a little tsk-tsk in between sips of a Cosmopolitan with Grey Goose. Well, I might die, and if I do, a lot of people will have happier lives for not having to think about me. But I might not, in which case I hope to irritate a few and raise their blood pressures, thus shortening their life spans. Pretty much all I can do at this point.

If it makes you feel any better, and I realize it probably won't, I don't have any money worries and yet I still have a miserable life. I think all it really takes to have a happy life is a few real human connections, perhaps some true friends or some family beyond family in name only. It can make the meaninglessness of life seem meaningless. If meaninglessness becomes meaningless then you're left with meaning. Hey, that's a catchy slogan maybe it'll catch on.
 
I was friends with a man for several years. When we met he was on meds for a bipolar condition and was abstaining from alcohol. Over the years I saw him many times go off his medication and he began drinking again. It was up and down like that for years, and eventually most friends gave up on him. It was a roller coaster. He could go from intelligent, sweet, funny and caring, to violent and abusive and simply bizaare. Once he managed to jump into the drivers seat of a running fire truck, stark naked, and was driving around the small community with lights and sirens.

Eventually I moved and we lost contact. Just a few days ago I heard from a mutual friend. Once again, off his meds, he hitched from California to where he had some family in Detroit who had also given up on him long ago. We know he made it to Detroit, but little else. He was found frozen to death, face down in the snow, but close to homes and business's.

I hate it that he died that way. Alone. Frozen. Homeless. I hate it that I'm angry when I don't know what or who I'm angry with. I'm sad I lost a friend that I too gave up on.

Sorry to derail, LL. Just an attempt to let you know I heard you.
 
It sounds cruel but there comes a point when you have to recognize that your attempts to help aren't working and that your own life has started to become damaged. The difficulty is recognizing when you have reached that point.
 
I once had a homeless kid threaten me with violence because I wouldn't give him a cigarette. When I looked him in the eye and said "try it" he backed down.

He wasn't mentally ill. He was just some young punk who thought society owed him something. Probably ran away after an argument with his parents about late night television or something.
 
Bingo. Got it in one. (Please don't take the rest of what I say as particularly directed at you; if anything, it's less directed toward you.)

Are you at all interested in suggestions? I make my living with a computer and time spent online. It's doable.

If not, I understand. If so, shoot me a PM and I'll describe what I do.
 
I have to admit that...bluntly, I realized a while back that I just don't care anymore. I finally realized that I simply do not like PEOPLE!
 
If it makes you feel any better, and I realize it probably won't, I don't have any money worries and yet I still have a miserable life. I think all it really takes to have a happy life is a few real human connections, perhaps some true friends or some family beyond family in name only. It can make the meaninglessness of life seem meaningless. If meaninglessness becomes meaningless then you're left with meaning. Hey, that's a catchy slogan maybe it'll catch on.
Come join an in person skeptics group. What city do you live in?
 
Bingo. Got it in one. (Please don't take the rest of what I say as particularly directed at you; if anything, it's less directed toward you.)

Are you at all interested in suggestions? I make my living with a computer and time spent online. It's doable.

If not, I understand. If so, shoot me a PM and I'll describe what I do.

Yeah epepke, I understand if you don't want to, but if you start a thread in Forum Community, maybe even just copy that post to it with additional info about your general location, I'm sure there are many of us that can and will help.
 
Other than that, it's called 'civil rights'. The mentally ill have as much right to live on the streets as the mentally stable do.

The mentally ill are vastly overrepresented in the numbers of homeless people. The reason for this is that it's vastly easier to slip through the cracks if you are mentally ill.

All this "she has as much right to live on the streets" and "It may have been a choice she made" crap sounds like excuses not to care about other people.
 
As I recall, people who suffer from psychotic symptom are the least likely to be compliant with a treatment plan, especially consistent medication usage, since they are usually the ones that have the largest deficits in executive functioning. Thus, blaming "the system" for not taking care of the mentally doesn't necessarily address the fact that deinstitutionalization has affected the ability of for "the system" to care for the most vulnerable of the mentally ill.

Well, I would say it varies. In the US the safety net is a little thin. I believe the the closure of the institution was for the better, however the replacement of it with a mental health system that is grossly underfunded is not really that good.

Many of the local service providers are right on the edge of closing.
 
The mentally ill are vastly overrepresented in the numbers of homeless people. The reason for this is that it's vastly easier to slip through the cracks if you are mentally ill.

All this "she has as much right to live on the streets" and "It may have been a choice she made" crap sounds like excuses not to care about other people.

A joke from my first professional conference as an out reach case manager.

What is the largest outpatient treatment center in the US?
-Central Park

What is the largest inpatient treatment facility in the US?
-LA County Jail.


The sad part is it was true.
 
I heard a radio show one morning where they were interviewing a woman who advocated medicating the mentally ill against their will. The radio host was aghast that anyone could consider such an egregious violation of free will, but she assured him that the issue wasn't as black and white as it seemed. Many mentally ill may very well choose medication if they were in their right minds, but they are, by definition, not in their right minds. If the first thing an illness disables is the discretion to allow you to choose whether to take medication for your illness...well, it's rather difficult to treat.

Oook, I really can't agree with forced medication. Especially given that lack of response and side effects are why people often don't take it.

When I started in mental health it was right before the release of the new ATPs, we had a Prolixon and a Haldol clinic, where people would come get injected. Now it was the better treatment at the time, but the zombie shuffle, the drooling and shaking are really bad side effects. Not to mention tardive dyskinesia.
 
I have to admit that...bluntly, I realized a while back that I just don't care anymore. I finally realized that I simply do not like PEOPLE!
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I get that way sometimes, but as I and you don't know ALL the people, I just dislike some of those I know, and will avoid them.
Meeting new people with common interests is always interesting.
 
Yeah there are probably lots of people here who don't like other people (on average in the general population), but would like each other. Like minds and such.
Exactly. I need intelligent people. Superficial social contact doesn't do that much for me.
 
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Had some time while driving to ruminate further...

LL has little reason to regret. She offered kindness to this woman, and while it wasn't much, it was more than many had over time.

A friend of mine has a way of putting this: I can't do much, but I can do this. We might not have much to offer another person, but we can at least offer a little bit, even if it's just a few words of kindness, or perhaps a few minutes of our time to listen to another. You don't know where that might lead in the greater scheme of things.

In the end, it's not what you withheld, it's what you gave. Seems to me LL gave quite a bit.
 
Thanks for the kind words, Roadie.

I've been ruminating also, which is difficult since I've only got one stomach. People have asked me whether I asked this lady or others about themselves and I've been questioning myself as to why I haven't. And then I realized, it's because they are my customers and I have been treating them as such. When someone in a suit and tie comes in and asks an odd question, and believe me that happens a lot, I don't strike up a conversation, I find his answer and send him on his merry way.

I treat all of my customers as professionally as I can, whether they are a bus stop lady or on the Board of Trustees.

I walked by the bus shelter today, and smiled a little.
 
A friend of mine has a way of putting this: I can't do much, but I can do this. We might not have much to offer another person, but we can at least offer a little bit, even if it's just a few words of kindness, or perhaps a few minutes of our time to listen to another.

And that is greater gift than most will ever know.
 
Library, if I can tell by the address you've given, if it's in the same town I live in (Begins with a B?), I also work just to the west nearby on Howard St., and have walked by that area many times.

There are many of the same people I see daily, mostly in the same locations each day. Unfortunately there are many who share her plight.

I was walking with a person from the office when we were asked for a handout by someone. He offered to help but asked "Where are you from?" Turned out the person was from his hometown (not here). So they kept talking and he asked how he ended up there on the street. After about 5 minutes of his story I had to leave, but the other person continued talking with him. Turns out he was able to assist him in ultimately getting back on his feet.

He didn't have any medical problems, he was just down on his luck and had no family to help or rely on. I know this is just one case, but at least one person was helped on the streets of this city.
 
Great story! This is why I keep insisting upon the fact that not all homeless are mentally ill. And not all of them are there by choice.
 

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