Burn a Quran day

[Aepervius]

It is really indisputable that burning the Quran in protest of Islam is protected under the First Amendment.
However, it is also well-settled that cities can have a general prohibition on bonfires and the like.

Same here. There are area designed for picnic, for barbecue, but for a bonfire are forbbiden there, and in private home you HAVE to ask in advance the firemen authorisation, and they can refuse it without an appeal possibility.

I think most city have such a law.

If they want to avoid that, they could still make their protest by drowning the book in a chemical toilet. Not as spectacular, but gives the same idiotic message out, and almost certainly authorized.

 

[Aepervius]

Or heck, make something useful : make papier mache with the paper, and bu8ilt some sculpture or stuff.

 

[Marquis de Carabas]

Fires are useful.

 

[tsig]

No one is saying they don't have the "right" to burn the Korans, but it is just stupid to inflame the non-terrorists Muslims who will now be more likely to join up with the terrorists. The Taliban is loving this Koran burning so they can use it as a recruiting tool for members. I can see it now, "See, we told you, these Americans hate Islam!" These idiot burners are giving the terrorist Muslims and non-terrorist Muslims a common enemy. This people are doing the terrorists a huge favor...

You need to read noreligions' posts. He claims that burning the Koran is not free speech.

Once you start compromising rights where do you stop? Can't make a picture on Mohamed because that will offend Muslims, can't burn a Koran because that will offend Muslims, What will offend the Muslims next time?

 

[Marquis de Carabas]

Fun's over. Go home.

 

[R.A.F.]

In my opinion, purposefully endangering the lives of our overseas military personal is treason and should be "treated" as such...after all, the 1st amendment doesn't protect you from yelling "fire" in a crowded theater for a reason.

 

[aleCcowaN]

Why do some people mix up freedom of speech with impunity? Say (or burn) your speech freely, later face the full penal, civil and moral consequences of your speech. That's the law. That's the logic.

Someone on Reddit came up with a great idea: Buy a bunch of these and sell them to people who want to burn a Quran. They won't know the difference!

This idea is devilish brilliant. Don't forget covering any visible cross.

 

[Marquis de Carabas]

Why do some people mix up freedom of speech with impunity? Say (or burn) your speech freely, later face the full penal, civil and moral consequences of your speech. That's the law. That's the logic.

What penal, civil, and moral consequences should attach to burning a book?

 

[Moon-Spinner]

Well, this should come as no surprise to anyone, but the Westboro Baptists have "Picked up the Torch", so to speak...

Westboro Link

 

[Schrodinger's Cat]

Fun's over. Go home.

The two announced they would fly to New York City this weekend to talk to Imam Feisel Abdul Rauf, the Muslim cleric behind the proposed mosque being built near ground zero. Jones said that Muslim leader has agreed to relocate the controversial mosque, but that had not been confirmed.

I wonder if there's any truth to this?

Also, I wonder if he ever really planned to burn them in the first place, or this was all a giant publicity stunt which he would have found some excuse to cancel before it actually happened?

 

[Marquis de Carabas]

The show must go on.

For once, I'd like to thank Fred Phelps for keeping things interesting.

 

[Marquis de Carabas]

I wonder if there's any truth to this?

We'll know soon enough, I guess.

Also, I wonder if he ever really planned to burn them in the first place, or this was all a giant publicity stunt which he would have found some excuse to cancel before it actually happened?

I think it was all a ploy to meet Imam Feisel Abdul Rauf because, let's face it, that's one sexy dude.

 

[SnakeTongue]

In my opinion, purposefully endangering the lives of our overseas military personal is treason and should be "treated" as such...after all, the 1st amendment doesn't protect you from yelling "fire" in a crowded theater for a reason.

This event is smelling fish...

http://www.interpol.int/Public/ICPO/PressReleases/PR2010/PR069.asp

INTERPOL issues global alert for increased terror threat if Koran burning in US goes ahead as planned

LYON, France – INTERPOL has today issued a global alert to its 188 member countries following the request of Pakistan’s Minister of the Interior, and its own determination, that if the proposed Koran burning by a pastor in the US goes ahead as planned, there is a strong likelihood that violent attacks on innocent people would follow.

 

[aleCcowaN]

What penal, civil, and moral consequences should attach to burning a book?

I can guarantee that if you burn one of my valuable collectibles as a part of your free speech you'll face penal and civil consequences. The moral ones I'll change them by the punch in the face that I'd give you.

But, are you sure that you're not asking just for making conversation? You surely was aware that by saying "Say (or burn) your speech freely, later face the full penal, civil and moral consequences of your speech." I didn't mean every act of free speech has or should have such consequences, wasn't you?

 

[westprog]

The city I grew up in has a blanket ban against bonfires within the city limits. If you want a bonfire, you leave the city limits and do it on public land (or rent private land) in the surrounding township.
The city doesn't care WHY you want the bonfire; the answer is no (it might be possible to get a permit granted for an exception). Even if someone wanted to have a religious or political bonfire, that doesn't suddenly exempt them from the fire safety regulations. They can do it elsewhere.

And barbecues? Suppose someone was having a barbecue in his back garden, and used torn up papers to light it? Would that cause a public announcement?

 

[Marquis de Carabas]

I can guarantee that if you burn one of my valuable collectibles as a part of your free speech you'll face penal and civil consequences. The moral ones I'll change them by the punch in the face that I'd give you.

Certainly people should only burn their own books.

But, are you sure that you're not asking just for making conversation? You surely was aware that by saying "Say (or burn) your speech freely, later face the full penal, civil and moral consequences of your speech." I didn't mean every act of free speech has or should have such consequences, wasn't you?

Not every one, no, but as this is a discussion about a particular act of speech, I thought what you said might be relevant to the particular act in question.

 

[R.A.F.]

...and CNN is reporting that the pastor has changed his mind about "the burning".//will be traveling to NY to talk to the Iman...

 

[Schrodinger's Cat]

I can guarantee that if you burn one of my valuable collectibles as a part of your free speech you'll face penal and civil consequences. The moral ones I'll change them by the punch in the face that I'd give you.

But, are you sure that you're not asking just for making conversation? You surely was aware that by saying "Say (or burn) your speech freely, later face the full penal, civil and moral consequences of your speech." I didn't mean every act of free speech has or should have such consequences, wasn't you?

Is your avatar Christopher McCandless?

I think it was all a ploy to meet Imam Feisel Abdul Rauf because, let's face it, that's one sexy dude.

Woah...he is definitely trying to seduce me with his sexy stare.

 

[R.A.F.]

CNN is reporting that Sec. Gates personally contacted pastor Jones appearently telling him to "knock it off".

 

[Checkmite]

According to CNN

The Rev. Terry Jones of the Gainesville, Florida-based Dove World Outreach Center, standing with a Florida Muslim leader, also said the imam who planned a mosque and Islamic center near ground zero in New York has agreed to move it to another location. But the imam who appeared with him said that Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf in New York agreed to speak with Jones about possibly moving the center.

A spokesman from Soho Properties told CNN producer Vivienne Foley that "the Muslim community center called Park51 in lower Manhattan is not being moved."

Jones, meanwhile, said he will travel to New York on Saturday to meet with Rauf.

Jones canceled the book burning because somehow he was led to believe the mosque was moving. It isn't. I wonder when he'll find out. Probably at his meeting with the New York imam.

Meanwhile:

Real estate mogul Donald Trump has offered to buy the lower Manhattan site where the Muslim group plans to build an Islamic community center for 25 percent more than the current owners paid for it.

Trump made the offer Thursday in a letter to Hisham Elzanaty, an investor in the Islamic center site.

"I am making this offer as a resident of New York and citizen of the United States, not because I think the location is a spectacular one (because it is not), but because it will end a very serious, inflammatory, and highly divisive situation that is destined, in my opinion, to only get worse," he wrote.

I concur with Trump's assessment of the situation.