Bumper sticker. . .(shudder)

[The Atheist]

I tell you this as a caring person who wants you to be well and happy. If I thought lying to you would make it better for you, I might do it, but it will not, so I am being as honest as I can be. I know you are here out of love, but love needs a proper home, one that shares the same kind of love. There is love here, but it is not your kind of love. This is not the home for you. I hope you find your home.

That guy was psychic! You are the Mr. Nice Guy.

Well said, mate.



(Why the hell can't I learn that stuff?)

 

[Ossai]

kurious_kathy

If you have rejected the truth of His Son then you have rejected God and that does make you God's enemy. We are only reconciled through Jesus's sacrifice on the cross.

I think I’m currently on your ignore list for one or the other of these.
1. Jesus never claimed to be the son of god or claimed to be god. Others (Paul specifically) later made that claim.
2. Jesus was not the messiah. Both statements are backed by the bible.

And I'm not trying to tell anyone anything other than we are all sinners saved by Gods grace and there is a sense of urgency when it comes down to the subject of salvation.

Why? If, as you believe, Jesus is god then he’s already a known liar. There are both OT and NT examples.

The point is the message is important to listen to because once someone dies it's too late to accept Christ.

Tell that to the Mormons.

If you have rejected the truth of His Son then you have rejected God and that does make you God's enemy. We are only reconciled through Jesus's sacrifice on the cross.

If Jesus is god/son of, then there was no sacrifice.

I'm just sharing from my own experiences and some of what I hear others share in there testimonies of what God revealed to them through circumstances and situations. It really is a personal relationship with Him.

From what you have previously posted about your first husband and the abuse you endured, it would seem that you actually crave the abuse. All you’ve done is make excuses for all the things that have been done to you, at god’s will. You even revel in the attention received because of the abuse.

Not true. He is our loving heavenly father who gave up everything he loved when He gave Jesus to pay for our sins.

God defaulted on the payment and took it back.

Huntster

Kathy is tougher than all of them combined, whether or not she has the skills to debate their line of crap.

Well, you have made it exceedingly obvious that you don’t possess debating skill.

Ossai

 

[cyborg]

Could it be with a statement like this that you just haven't tried to see Him in the right light?

No. The god you present is a jerk.

Our ways are not his ways, His are much higher than we can comprehend.

Then why are you bothering to tell me to look at it 'in the right light'?

People are never done learning so why leave trying to learn the things of God out of your life?

The concept you present of god is an educational cul-de-sac. There is nothing to learn.

I really do think it's important for people to try to ponder the things of God and ask Him for understanding. He says all that ask receive.

I have no reason to believe this. You have presented no reason to believe this. You have in fact merely stated that reasons NOT to believe this are just mysterious reasons to believe this - but they are reasons that cannot be comprehended.

Sure sounds like utter nonsense to me.

 

[slingblade]

I really do think it's important for people to try to ponder the things of God and ask Him for understanding. He says all that ask receive.

And that's a lie. "Lie" means "something that isn't true."

 

[Tricky]

Kathy is tougher than all of them combined, whether or not she has the skills to debate their line of crap.

How would you know if she is tough or just thick? You don't read her posts, remember?

 

[Tricky]

And that's a lie. "Lie" means "something that isn't true."

[nitpick]It is only a lie if you know it isn't true. Otherwise, it is just a mistake. Delusional people are not liars.[/nitpick]

 

[Darth Rotor]

I see that and a lot more.

I see a bunch of bullys in a schoolyard they think they own beating up on the same little guy who can take all they've got and keep coming and who never wants violence.

Kathy is tougher than all of them combined, whether or not she has the skills to debate their line of crap.

That picture crossed my mind about 50 pages ago, when I first found this thread. A willing martyr probably should not cry "bully," just as Jesus didn't cry "bully" at the Romans who whipped him. I note that Kathinator does not cry "bully."

Fits the WWJD approach.

DR

 

[Tricky]

Wouldn't you just like to stack chips with some of them at poker? Tricky, I think would be tricky, but lots of others would be worse than candy from babies.

I'm actually not that great a poker player. I'm far too optimistic and do stupid stuff like drawing to inside straights. But then, I only play penny-ante stuff with friends. I really don't enjoy gambling. When I went to Vegas for TAM two years ago, I didn't bet one red cent. I just don't have the urge.

But I do have a rough understanding of statistics and logic, enough to know that Blaise Pascal was an idiot.

 

[billydkid]

Nope, but I went pike fishing. I've gotta go again tomorrow, too. Didn't even bring a rifle. The rifle boot on my snowmobile got all shot up sometime back, and I haven't replaced it. I carry a revolver in my pocket for any recalcitrant moose who decide to whip my ass because they don't like me on their trails.

I used to be an avid fisherman. It was my second favorite thing to do. Since I rarely got to do my favorite thing, it sort of became my favorite. I was very fond of pike also. I once took a trip way up to northern Canada to this pristine lake filled with Pike and Walleye and Lake Trout. I never really had eaten pike before that. I have to say it was the best fish I ever ate. Better than the walleye. Never could figure out how to clean them good though. They say there's a way, but I couldn't do it. I have kind of lost interest in many of the things I used to love. Age, I guess.

 

[Mr Clingford]

I'm actually not that great a poker player. I'm far too optimistic and do stupid stuff like drawing to inside straights. But then, I only play penny-ante stuff with friends. I really don't enjoy gambling. When I went to Vegas for TAM two years ago, I didn't bet one red cent. I just don't have the urge.

Blackjack is my game. I like $5 stakes and good company. I enjoyed my games on the strip chatting to friendly tipsy American gals. I don't have a gambling problem, though, as I didn't spend my bus fair back to the cockroach hostel I stayed in.

But I do have a rough understanding of statistics and logic, enough to know that Blaise Pascal was an idiot.

Perhaps because I don't know many old people who become Christians just before death but I don't think I know anyone who converted because of fear of death or fear of going to hell. It wasn't my reason for converting from apathy to 'giving my life'.

 

[Tricky]

Blackjack is my game. I like $5 stakes and good company. I enjoyed my games on the strip chatting to friendly tipsy American gals. I don't have a gambling problem, though, as I didn't spend my bus fair back to the cockroach hostel I stayed in.

Yeah, if it's just for fun with friends or to flirt with women, I can see the lure.

Perhaps because I don't know many old people who become Christians just before death but I don't think I know anyone who converted because of fear of death or fear of going to hell. It wasn't my reason for converting from apathy to 'giving my life'.

Maybe it is not a problem in the UK, but in the US, there is a distinct species of vulture called the "TV Evangelist". They are constantly selling stairways to heaven, and a really big part of their clientelle are aging people. Some of them are even brazen enough to ask them to just sign over their social security check to them. Maybe this is the carrrot rather than the stick, but I have noted that many people become more religious as the threat of hell or the desire for heaven draws closer. A look at the population of most churches in the US will show that they are heavily tilted to the "over 60" demographic.

 

[Mr Clingford]

Yeah, if it's just for fun with friends or to flirt with women, I can see the lure.

The $5 level was right for me as it was high enough to interest me in that if I was $40 up at teh end of the evening that makes a nice meal and drink - winner! On the other hand I'm not throwing away my life savings. But I have only gambled in South Africa, Zimbabwe and the US - it is a 'on a different continent habit'!

Maybe it is not a problem in the UK, but in the US, there is a distinct species of vulture called the "TV Evangelist". They are constantly selling stairways to heaven, and a really big part of their clientelle are aging people. Some of them are even brazen enough to ask them to just sign over their social security check to them. Maybe this is the carrrot rather than the stick, but I have noted that many people become more religious as the threat of hell or the desire for heaven draws closer. A look at the population of most churches in the US will show that they are heavily tilted to the "over 60" demographic.

I find these TV Evangelists to be loathsome and disgusting. I think they range from out-and-out cons with no faith at all to those with a faith that I would regard as twisted and wrong as they exploit people and pile up riches just for themselves.

RE 'the world, the flesh and the devil'. I think that 'the world' stands for ideas such as 'the rat race', judging someone's value by their wealth and possessions, thinking that appearance is more important than what is inside someone - that kind of thing.

'the flesh' may be seen as serving one's bodily desires to an extent that is out of balance.

'the devil' is a tricky one. Some will say that it means precisely that, a personal chief demon, Lucifer. Others will say that it is a metaphor for evil desires in people and harmful aspects of systems (such that the poor are exploited, that kind of thing). I am not sure. I think the existence of a personal Devil is unlikely but wonder whether there may be dark forces at times to be found in people and circumstances - I have not ruled it out and I certainly don't know.

 

[Paulhoff]

Understanding that humans are only animals, and that some of them with a very small push, will act like animals, and accepting this one will see that there is no need to come up with demons to explain some people actions.

Paul

 

[Huntster]

Huntster
Well, you have made it exceedingly obvious that you don’t possess debating skill.

Ossai

In case you didn't know, "debate" is two-way communication.

Do you need the definition and link to the dictionary?.............

 

[Huntster]

Originally Posted by Huntster
Kathy is tougher than all of them combined, whether or not she has the skills to debate their line of crap.

How would you know if she is tough or just thick? You don't read her posts, remember?

What's the difference?

 

[Huntster]

Originally Posted by Huntster
I see that and a lot more.

I see a bunch of bullys in a schoolyard they think they own beating up on the same little guy who can take all they've got and keep coming and who never wants violence.

Kathy is tougher than all of them combined, whether or not she has the skills to debate their line of crap.

That picture crossed my mind about 50 pages ago, when I first found this thread. A willing martyr probably should not cry "bully," just as Jesus didn't cry "bully" at the Romans who whipped him. I note that Kathinator does not cry "bully."

Fits the WWJD approach.

Makes her vicious opponents look like Pharisees and Roman politicians, too............

 

[Huntster]

Originally Posted by Huntster
Nope, but I went pike fishing. I've gotta go again tomorrow, too. Didn't even bring a rifle. The rifle boot on my snowmobile got all shot up sometime back, and I haven't replaced it. I carry a revolver in my pocket for any recalcitrant moose who decide to whip my ass because they don't like me on their trails.

I used to be an avid fisherman. It was my second favorite thing to do. Since I rarely got to do my favorite thing, it sort of became my favorite. I was very fond of pike also. I once took a trip way up to northern Canada to this pristine lake filled with Pike and Walleye and Lake Trout. I never really had eaten pike before that. I have to say it was the best fish I ever ate. Better than the walleye.

I've never tried walleye. They don't range here. But I've heard they're good eating.

We tend to eat lots of sockeye salmon and avoid the other salmon subspecies, because sockeyes ("reds") simply have the really dark red meat and are really tasty, and the others have meat from pink to a cream color, and simply don't taste as good.

We have lots of salmon show up around here every year...........

I also like burbot, pike, and especially the salt water fishes; rockfish (especially yellow eye rockfish), cod, and halibut.

Never could figure out how to clean them good though. They say there's a way, but I couldn't do it.

The Alaska Dept. of Fish and Game has a pike webpage that shows a method of fileting pike. It worked for me. I do it just like they advise, and have gotten good at it. The filets come out bone-free.

I have kind of lost interest in many of the things I used to love. Age, I guess.

That's too bad.

I still love getting out in the woods, even if just to wander around, but I have so many things that I'm supposed to be doing and so many folks demanding my time that sometimes it's difficult to get away.

I'm hoping to take a sabbatical of at least several months and live in my camper. I'm thinking about the Ketchikan/Prince of Wales Island area. But as I "prime" Mrs. Huntster on the idea I'm getting some flak. I'll have to work on her for a few years before I try to pull it off..............

 

[Tricky]

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[Tricky]

I find these TV Evangelists to be loathsome and disgusting. I think they range from out-and-out cons with no faith at all to those with a faith that I would regard as twisted and wrong as they exploit people and pile up riches just for themselves.

Yeah, I'll bet. You probably have your own TV station. You Christians are all alike.

RE 'the world, the flesh and the devil'. I think that 'the world' stands for ideas such as 'the rat race', judging someone's value by their wealth and possessions, thinking that appearance is more important than what is inside someone - that kind of thing.

True, but it is not so simple. While not a slave to mammon, I do respect people who have become successful by legitimate means, even moreso if they delve into philanthropy. We all have needs (just ask Maslow) and it is not evil to want those needs satisfied.

Yeah, I know that you probably mean something like "wanting wealth for the sake of wealth" or even plain old greed for more than you could possibly need. But once again, in the real world, those lines are not so easy to draw.

This point really is a dilemma for me, because I think of myself as a caring and giving person, yet I have not taken any vow of poverty nor do I feel inclined to spend my retirement pension on the poor. Maybe Jesus had the right idea when he said "there will always be poor". I kinda like his pragmatism there, but it sure makes him look like a regular guy, not a savior of mankind.

'the flesh' may be seen as serving one's bodily desires to an extent that is out of balance.

Another "tricky" one. I can think of lots of examples of people who have let their bodily desires to get out of wack, (like every teenage boy in the world), but again, there are so many cases which are not clear cut. Is a compulsive wanker out of balance? Maybe it's God's way of keeping the population down.

'the devil' is a tricky one.

I resemble that remark.

Some will say that it means precisely that, a personal chief demon, Lucifer. Others will say that it is a metaphor for evil desires in people and harmful aspects of systems (such that the poor are exploited, that kind of thing). I am not sure. I think the existence of a personal Devil is unlikely but wonder whether there may be dark forces at times to be found in people and circumstances - I have not ruled it out and I certainly don't know.

Sure there are "dark forces", depending of course on your moral code. But I cannot think they are driven by anything more than basic human and animal nature.

I find it odd, though, that insurance companies refer to natural disasters that kill or harm great swaths of humanity as "Acts of God".

 

[Darth Rotor]

Understanding that humans are only animals,

Speak for yourself, mister. You may be an animal. I am a man.

Now, go lick your balls.

DR