Huntster
Maybe there are conditions other than or in addition to that?:
Here is my servant whom I have chosen, the one I love, in whom I delight...
For many are invited, but few are chosen.
If the Lord had not cut short those days, no one would survive. But for the sake of the elect, whom he has chosen, he has shortened them.
only one thing is needed. Mary has chosen what is better, and it will not be taken away from her
And will not God bring about justice for his chosen ones, who cry out to him day and night?
"Have I not chosen you, the Twelve? Yet one of you is a devil!"
If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you.
You’ve established yourself as a firm believer of predestination. Was there a point beyond that?
I'm seeking to get people to think about what is actually in the bible and why those things are and what the implications there are for those things.
Funny. That's what I'm trying to get across to you.
Yet you yourself have admitted that you don’t follow the bible and that large parts of it are not of god but of man.
RandFan is, in one way, demonstrating that you still haven’t shared any reliable means to tell the difference. If a reliable one even exists.
Darth Rotor
1. The creator wants something
2. The creator is omnipotent
Nice strawman, go for it.
The creator wants, else it would not have created.
The creator is purported to be omnipotent (reference any priest)
If you’ve got a problem with either one of those, point it out. Otherwise your juvenile behavior pattern is in full effect.
Result
A. The world is not how the creator intended.
B. The creator get’s angry when things don’t go its way.
You've got a really big logical disconnect going there.
And you've got tunnel vision.
How do you justify that statement? If the world was how the creator wanted, then it wouldn’t be reported numerous times that the creator was angry, mad, jealous, etc.
Both results I posted are taken directly from the bible. Apparently, you haven’t bothered to read it.
C. The world was created with lots of challenges to apply our gifts to.
Oh, wait, that conflicts your digital, on-off, world framework strawman. Do you need a reboot?
What challenge? If the deity is omnipotent, as the majority of Christians believe, then there is no freewill and everything plays out according to a script.
I find it takes a narrow mind to dismiss someone's book that you haven't read based on less than a paragraph of discussion, a paragraph that isn't even a full book review.
You must like the taste of shoe leather, I read it years ago. I’ve also read quite a bit of other church inspired pap.
kurious_kathy
Jesus is who He said He is. And yes the prophesies have been fulfilled in Christ. It is well documented and Jesus did raise himself from the dead and showed himself to many witnesses. Let's see your Mohammad do that.
I’m not Muslim, so it’s not my Mohammad.
Isn’t it kind of odd that Jesus’ closet friends and followers didn’t even recognize him when he
appeared.
The only place Jesus’ resurrection is reported is the bible, a rather nebulous and questionable source given the inaccuracies and the time span involved in the reporting.
No the prophecies have not been fulfilled. Or was there a thousands years of peace and someone forgot to report it?
If either lineage (they’re both different) reported in the bible for Jesus is correct then God directly excluded Jesus from the Davidic lineage.
Here’s a challenge, list the messianic prophecies and then put them in context. How many actually turn out to be messianic prophecies and how many are out of context bits that have been twisted.
Why is it to a Muslim they can try to bunk the Bible all they want, but when you question their Quran someone's gona get it?
Because Muslims, much like early Christians, are exceedingly dualistic in outlook. Some Christians learned to get along with others. Islam is still learning that lesson.
God is patient with everyone in hoping they'll repent. His Word tells us He doesn't want any to perish. We should not even believe that God enjoys punishing sin even though He does. The wages of sin is death. The gift of God is salvation for all who receive Jesus. We can't avoid a physical death, only a spiritual death. The promise of a redeemed body someday is enough for me.
More pap. Now how about answering the question.
“What is righteous about forcing someone to do something and then punishing them for doing it?”
I am continually trying to study more and advance in my knowledge of scripture even though it will take years to grow with and understand better. The bible is not to be read as just another peice of liturature.
Did your pastor teach you that
Excuse?
I definitely believe all children have automatically been saved and are in heaven. And that includes the babies that were miscarried or aborted.
So you believe that all Christians should practice abortion. After all, that ensures the baby goes to heaven instead of being born and possibly winding up in hell.
More later.
Ossai
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