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Bumper sticker. . .(shudder)

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My wife is the most unassuming, people loving person I know. But she has gone thru cancer the loss of a second unborn child she wanted so bad, and more operations then I care to count, and many health problems. She is catholic to her family and people who know her, but no longer in her heart. She has gone thru years of trying to figure out what she could have done to god to get all this attention. She is now finally seeing the truth about that so-called christian god and no longer as time for it.

Paul

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Roadtoad said:
Those are the actions of an abuser. I decline the abuse.
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Wow RT. I admired you before but I'm in awe now. It's wonderful that you were able to rise above such a situation and become the great person that you are. My hats off to you.

Oh and KK, if you're reading this, RoadToad did it himself - He was the one that took action and became the man he is. It's to RT's credit - not gods.
 
Paulhoff said:
Posted somewhere before.

My wife is the most unassuming, people loving person I know. But she has gone thru cancer the loss of a second unborn child she wanted so bad, and more operations then I care to count, and many health problems. She is catholic to her family and people who know her, but no longer in her heart. She has gone thru years of trying to figure out what she could have done to god to get all this attention. She is now finally seeing the truth about that so-called christian god and no longer as time for it.

Paul

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Hi PH, hey I can understand why your wife may question why cancer, heck any of us that have dealt with chronic pain hate it, let alone loosing two babies, but I would rather suffer and have faith than not have it.

And I really believe those babies are in heaven already with Jesus. She could have that hope even though she lost them. Life begins at conception. And I myself would rather have that hope than not have it.
 
Why do you keep making excuses for your so-called god? What the hell good is he? I will not show what you wrote to my wife because she would be all over you for ever saying that her dead children are with Jesus. And human life does not begin at conception. Also after you are born then, it seems that you are on your own in this country, they can send you over seas time and time again to Iraq until you are maimed and or killed by our so-called christain leaders.

Paul

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kurious_kathy said:
Hi PH, hey I can understand why your wife may question why cancer, heck any of us that have dealt with chronic pain hate it, let alone loosing two babies, but I would rather suffer and have faith than not have it.

And I really believe those babies are in heaven already with Jesus. She could have that hope even though she lost them. Life begins at conception. And I myself would rather have that hope than not have it.
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You just love being an arse, don't you?
 
Roadtoad said:
I watched my biological father beat my mother senseless when I was three. According to you, this is Jesus telling me, "I love you.
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I was mentally abused for the better part of my life by my mother, being told I was "weird," a "disgrace," an "embarassment," but this was merely Jesus telling me, "I love you.
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I was molested by my scoutmaster. I told my parents and was told that I was disgracing my family, because I was saying something horrible about a friend of my fathers. This was merely Jesus saying, "I love you.
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"I love you. Therefore, you'll suffer a loveless first marriage, your older two sons will have to get along without you, and you'll be subjected to the worst that the Family Court system in California can throw at you so that this will draw you closer to me."
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"I love you. Therefore, your wife will endure poor health and will be in pain for the better part of her later life so that this will draw you closer to me."
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Do you have any idea how cruel this makes God sound?
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This is not a God I can love. Because this is not love. It is abuse. And after being physically, sexually, and emotionally abused throughout my childhood, I know what abuse is. And I am not taking it anymore.
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You don't believe in god(s), so do you now blame these things on evolution instead of god(s)?
 
How can someone time and time again defend such a poor idea of what a god could be? To make excuses up so their idea of a god make sense to them. To show a blind eye to the horror that their god must be letting happen and just say he works in mysterious ways and all is OK with them about their idea on a so-called god. A little self denial is OK to get thru the day, but such a big one on their idea of a so-called god is loaded with problems and messes up their everyday thinking.

Paul

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T'ai Chi said:
You don't believe in god(s), so do you now blame these things on evolution instead of god(s)?
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Inane.

You are now trying to anthropomorphosize a biological process. That's an absurdity.

Some people do evil things. They will do so either in the name of God, for their own selfish reasons, or just out of sheer stupidity. But that has nothing to do with how they managed to to exist within the evolutionary cycle. I don't blame evolution or God, I blame the individuals for their own evil acts, and accept responsibility for my own evil acts and try to make things right, even if all I can do is say "I'm sorry," and stay the hell out of someone's life.
 
T'ai Chi said:
You don't believe in god(s), so do you now blame these things on evolution instead of god(s)?
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1. It sure makes a lot more sense then if a so-called loving god lets it happen.

2. Who is blaming evolution for someone actions, YOU.

Paul

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kurious_kathy
But when intellects choose to deny there's a God that's when I have an issue.
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Intellects? Intelligent people don’t deny god, they just realize that the whole notion of god is flawed and unnecessary. It’s up to the believer to provide the evidence of god.

This doesn't mean I don't have a mind that I know how to use. It just means I process things a bit different than someone who may call themselves an intellect.
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From the history of your posts here, you don’t seem to process at all. In fact most of your time, your mind seems to be set on ignore.

Well if you have a love for nature then perhaps there is more of God in you than you believe?
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<rule 8> ***-ing <naughty thought>

I still have no idea how anyone with genuine faith could ever have converted to atheism? That just does not make any sense at all to me.
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No true Scottsman.
But to answer your question, for me it was fairly simple. I grew up. I realized that the myopic view of the world presented by Christianity was wrong on so many levels. ‘God’ is nothing more than begging the question. The bible is inaccurate and no one actually follows it. I accepted responsibility for myself. There, my de-conversion story in a nutshell.

It takes faith to love, which I myself think is one of the biggies in life.
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What an offensive statement. It must be a good thing that you had children before your conversion. That way when they go to hell, you don’t have to worry about them.

Ossai
 
Saw a good one last night -

4 out of 5 divorced Christians believe homosexual weddings would ruin the sanctity of marriage.

Not sure about the 4 out of 5, but think that was the numbers, and have no idea how valid it is, but I like it anyway :D
 
This Guy said:
4 out of 5 divorced Christians believe homosexual weddings would ruin the sanctity of marriage.
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The number does not matter, but I guess when you can believe in the (father, son and holy ghost) BS then all other illogical things are easy.

Paul

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Roadtoad said:
.....I watched my biological father beat my mother senseless when I was three......

.....I was mentally abused for the better part of my life by my mother.....

.....I was molested by my scoutmaster......

....And so it goes, doesn't it, Kathy? "I love you. Therefore, you'll suffer a loveless first marriage, your older two sons will have to get along without you, and you'll be subjected to the worst that the Family Court system in California can throw at you so that this will draw you closer to me.".....

....."I love you. Therefore, your wife will endure poor health and will be in pain for the better part of her later life so that this will draw you closer to me."....

.....This is not a God I can love......
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You're blaming God for those things?
 
Huntster said:
You're blaming God for those things?
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(sigh). By now, Huntster, you have been told this many times so I can only assume your continue to ask such questions out of petulance, but assuming that you simply cannot hold a concept in your mind for more than a few minutes, and for the benefit of those who may have come in late, I'll explain again.

Atheists are not mad at God. Atheists don't blame God for anything. Atheists don't believe in God.

What Roadtoad and Slingblade and others who have been hurt by religion dislike is the actions of some of those who claim to follow God. They are angered at this man-made religion called Christianity which turns a blind eye toward the atrocities committed in the name of their imaginary God. They are angered by the excuses for the evil done in God's name made by these Christians, excuses like, "That's not God, that's man," or "You cannot understand God's plan," or "Evil must exist in order for there to be free will," or "You just didn't try hard enough to accept Christ," or even the most horrible, "You must have done something to deserve it."

It is the mealy-mouthed equivocations given by some (not all) of those who follow the same God as you, that have led to so much resentment of your religion (not your God). Your God is not even an issue. He is just the facade that is thrown up to justify the actions of these people. It is the same kind of facade that has been thrown up by religious people throughout the ages to justify everything from the Spanish Inquisition to flying planes into skyscrapers. But it is not the facade that atheists resent. It is the people who hide behind it.

Not all Christians are like this, but Christians who defend or equivocate about the use of this wall of illusion and superstition that they hide behind, must share some of the blame for the actions of those who use it for evil. They are saying that these craven Christians are not responsible for their own actions because they are done in the name of God. Do you want to be responsible for your own actions, Mr. Huntster? Then, Mr. Huntster, tear down this wall.
 
Excellent Tricky

I’m too amazed by all the excuses they make up for their idea of a so-called god, the list is almost endless and therefore at the same time it becomes meaningless. This all-powerful, all-knowing god that is reasonable for nothing, I would like a job like that, and to have the cheerleading section too. Just think of it, you don’t do you job, the boss comes to fire you, and your cheerleaders come in and do their canting and your off the hook, who could ask for more.

That cheerleader should be back soon.:yahoo

Paul

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