Bumper sticker. . .(shudder)

[Canadian Malcontent]

Anacoluthon64,
I make critiques yes. pretend facts no. I also present perspectives and allude to science to support them ( see Boojum's post above).

Trickey, what does 'the 11th hour' mean to you? 11 o'clock? Does it ever mean , close to the end of a specific event or period of time?
When someone says "Back in my day..." are they reffering to a specific 24 hour period that they own?
" With God a day is a thousand years and a thousand years a day" ( Huntster please give Chapter and Verse?)
Do the math on that one.
Preposterous? To bring one's Sunday school ( borderline infantile) perspective of the word 'Day' to your argument against the Bible and expect it to bear is indeed preposterous.

Boojum, I am no scholar but perhaps I should make at least some attempt.
Yes I'm interested in exploring the assertion you quote in your post above in another thread, please direct me.

Ossai, WOW I am truly blinded and dazzled by " a period of light followed by a period of darkness is one day" Why didnt I think of that!!!
I have to call the Royal Astronomical Society right away!!!
A day on the moon is not 672 hrs, after all, its 24 hrs!!!
Folks you heard it hear first!
Please do not forget to credit me some for prompting this BREAKTHROUGH DISCOVERY !!!
Like wow man.

Or we could go back to the old meaning of 'day'. Tricky, Ossai have you ever checked your dictionary on that? Maybe its time to do so.

Foster, I understand what you mean by theory now. I am pleased however to see here in the forum the admission that we have minimal understanding of what Gravity is and by definition that removes Gravity from the realm of theory. what should we call Gravity now? A Truth?
( Tricky- post 1329)

Tricky, I am 100% fine with however you relate to God. If you take the view that you dont relate to Him thats your choice. And of course you have the right to it. If any ever try to take that right from you I will have a real problem.

Your friend,
Canadian Malcontent

 

[Canadian Malcontent]

Tricky, atheists are not despised, you are not a victim in that respect. Most people do not care I think. A Christian, or a person filled with the Spirit, CANNOT despise you or any other child of The Lord.
Have you experienced despite coming from people who attend church? I have no reason to doubt it. Could they be imperfect people? I am sure we all are. Can you forgive them?
Consider, Lucifer qoutes Scripture. I think that The Angel of Light having been cheif among God's Angels, is likely the most adept Scripture quoter of all. Lucifer also lives in the hearts of men and moves them to offend God.
Maybe it is not the simple creature that despises but that despite or uh... despisery(?) has taken root in the heart of the creature.
Maybe in the face of your expressed forgiveness of the despite and your lovingkindness toward the despiser, the unhealthy thing will wither and die in their heart. Then you, just by being nice, will have moved that person closer to God.
Any of us can apply Christian principles, Christ's example, healthy respect/love for our fellow creatures, ( whatever one chooses to call it).
My Bible doesnt demand thatI wear an armband or anything like that.
The main thing that has been reinforced in my heart and mind by my Bible is to be nice to people, to love them and I do not think that I am very good at it. The exchange I have with others here helps me though, makes me think... just the time spent with The Living Word of God, Scripture, is a nurture to me. Thank you all very much.
Please forgive the sarcasm of my previous post if it offends.

Yf,
CM

 

[Canadian Malcontent]

Hi Boojum, yes, please direct me.
thanks

 

[Canadian Malcontent]

Tricky, re: post 1330.
Maybe your mind was blocking the open door of your heart?
" I stand at the door and knock, if any man hears, let him open the door and I will come inside." Jesus Christ.

Trickey before you sleep tonight pray, ask Jesus Christ to come into your heart, your life. Ask Him to show Himself to you, ask Him to give you faith, understanding and life everlasting.

Give just an inch here Trickey ( thats all He needs), forget all the foolishness the world has tried to feed you regarding the Lord ( that includes from churches and church-goers), just try it as a one on One thing with Christ and you. Leave the worlds confusion behind for this one.
Give it a shot Tricky.

Yf,
CM

 

[Paulhoff]

Posted again:

They never give a clear answer on which god they are talking about. It is always a loving god that could care less about children and their well being, don’t worry, he will find a way for his so-called god not to get blamed for that. Made everything and isn't responsible for anything that goes wrong, I want a job like that.

Paul



Go to a children's Hospital, and hear the screams of children in pain, one with parts missing, cancer, mental retardation, etc and tell me about your god's love. BS

 

[Foster Zygote]

Ossai, WOW I am truly blinded and dazzled by " a period of light followed by a period of darkness is one day" Why didnt I think of that!!!
I have to call the Royal Astronomical Society right away!!!
A day on the moon is not 672 hrs, after all, its 24 hrs!!!
Folks you heard it hear first!
Please do not forget to credit me some for prompting this BREAKTHROUGH DISCOVERY !!!
Like wow man.

Actually, a day on the Moon is a little less than 709 hours. But anyway, if I said something happened six days ago would you ask me if I meant Earth days or Moon days or Mars days? Venus with it's retrograde rotation might further complicate matters if one were to insist on defining that as a negative day. I'm sorry, but Genesis is quite clearly speaking of the creation of the Earth. The people who wrote Genesis knew of only one sort of "day" and that's the Earth day. If you can point out anything in the Bible or in other ancient literature from the time that makes reference to "Moon days" I'd be interested to see it. And by the way, the whole sarcasm thing only makes you look frustrated, not smarter than your opponent.

Or we could go back to the old meaning of 'day'. Tricky, Ossai have you ever checked your dictionary on that? Maybe its time to do so.

From Merriam-Webster

Main Entry: day
Pronunciation: 'dA
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English dæg; akin to Old High German tag day
1 a : the time of light between one night and the next b : DAYLIGHT 1 c : DAYTIME
2 : the period of rotation of a planet (as earth) or a moon on its axis
3 : the mean solar day of 24 hours beginning at mean midnight
4 : a specified day or date
5 : a specified time or period : AGE <in grandfather's day> -- often used in plural <the old days> <the days of sailing ships>
6 : the conflict or contention of the day <played hard and won the day>
7 : the time established by usage or law for work, school, or business
- day after day : for an indefinite or seemingly endless number of days
- day in, day out : for an indefinite number of successive days

There's just one problem with this. Look at the etymology. English. The original Hebrew word for day is "yom", which refers to a single day.

Foster, I understand what you mean by theory now. I am pleased however to see here in the forum the admission that we have minimal understanding of what Gravity is and by definition that removes Gravity from the realm of theory. what should we call Gravity now? A Truth? ( Tricky- post 1329)

And in post 1235 Tricky explains to you why gravity is a theory. No where in post 1329 does he claim that our understanding of gravity is "minimal", only that we know much more about the mechanism of evolution than gravity. And in answer to your question, we call gravity a "theory". You also seem to be stating that a "theory" is stronger than a "truth". Does this mean you've accepted the theory of evolution because I can't imagine it means you now doubt the theory of gravity.

 

[Huntster]

....Go to a children's Hospital, and hear the screams of children in pain, one with parts missing, cancer, mental retardation, etc and tell me about your god's love. BS

So God should have made biological beings that don't get sick and die? Don't get injured? Live forever?

Dogs too? Mosquitoes? Trees? No biological death?

Then there couldn't be reproduction, either, because there wouldn't be enough room or resources. Hell, there wouldn't be enough anyway. Biological beings can't eat rocks. They eat other biological beings.

 

[MatterHorn]

So God should have made biological beings that don't get sick and die? Don't get injured? Live forever?

Dogs too? Mosquitoes? Trees? No biological death?

Then there couldn't be reproduction, either, because there wouldn't be enough room or resources. Hell, there wouldn't be enough anyway. Biological beings can't eat rocks. They eat other biological beings.

No you're totally right, ebola is just gods way of opening up a few more spaces in good old creation, and makeing those spaces slick with death at the same time. Sorry you have to spend months in agony as this cancer devours you from the inside little timmy, but a serial killer is being born and your taking up his space.

A small part of me being an athiest is that I would prefer a random selection process to a god that would create such suffering.

 

[Huntster]

Originally Posted by Huntster
So God should have made biological beings that don't get sick and die? Don't get injured? Live forever?

Dogs too? Mosquitoes? Trees? No biological death?

Then there couldn't be reproduction, either, because there wouldn't be enough room or resources. Hell, there wouldn't be enough anyway. Biological beings can't eat rocks. They eat other biological beings.

No you're totally right, ebola is just gods way of opening up a few more spaces in good old creation, and makeing those spaces slick with death at the same time. Sorry you have to spend months in agony as this cancer devours you from the inside little timmy, but a serial killer is being born and your taking up his space.

What kind of post is that? I'm repeatedly referred to as a sick bastard by the weak-limbed on this forum, but I don't think even I am cynical enough to dream up a sorry scenario like that.

A small part of me being an athiest is that I would prefer a random selection process to a god that would create such suffering.

So what is it? You think you deserve to live biologically forever? And the trillions of people who have been born, lived, and died before you shouldn't have been born so that you could have room for your utopia through eternity?

 

[Sceptic Realist]

Sorry, double - post.

 

[Sceptic Realist]

What kind of post is that? I'm repeatedly referred to as a sick bastard by the weak-limbed on this forum, but I don't think even I am cynical enough to dream up a sorry scenario like that.

The world is full of sorry cases like that. If you're going to kill people off, why do it slowly, with great pain?

I have a thought (just a musing): nature (or god, whatever), in order to control the population, needs to have ways of increasing the death rate if need be in order to maintain the human race. However, due to the nature of the advancement of technology (specifically in the medical area), humans not only live longer, but are beginning to render themselves impervious to some of these methods. So, seeing as there is more than one way to kill someone, nature/god moves on to another way - say, from black plague to cancer. Going further, perhaps trying to cure diseases and such is working against the race, in that if the death rate is non - existant, we will be worse off?

So what is it? You think you deserve to live biologically forever? And the trillions of people who have been born, lived, and died before you shouldn't have been born so that you could have room for your utopia through eternity?

I don't know how you're getting this from his post. It seems to me that he is meerly stating how "cruel" god is, if he does indeed exist and cause diseases like cancer, or some other awful thing.

 

[MatterHorn]

What kind of post is that? I'm repeatedly referred to as a sick bastard by the weak-limbed on this forum, but I don't think even I am cynical enough to dream up a sorry scenario like that.

Wow, wished I'd dreamed it up but its an unfortunate logical flow from your reasoning.

[the following argument is made under the assumption that there is a god, an assumption I do not hold true.]
All people who die are people who die to make room for more people
Some people who die are people who die painfully
Some people who die to make room for more people are people who die to make room for terrible people
Therefore
Some people who die painfully are people who die to maker room for terrible people

So what is it? You think you deserve to live biologically forever? And the trillions of people who have been born, lived, and died before you shouldn't have been born so that you could have room for your utopia through eternity?

Im atheist, I don't think I deserve anything. That being said, your using incorrect logic to try and refute my point. I never said I should live forever, my statement is that a loving god wouldn't need to kill people in such terrible and horrible ways. Your refutement looks like this.

All people are beings that need to die one day
No beings that need to die one day are beings that can live forever
Therefore
Some people are beings that need to die in horrible ways

You need to somehow connect people and beings that need to die in horrible ways together, and I personally don't see how it can be done. In your world every terrible disease and ailment is a creation of god, so all the suffering those diseases cause is also gods. That thought would sicken me if I believed in a god.

Edit:

...I have a thought (just a musing): nature (or god, whatever), in order to control the population, needs to have ways of increasing the death rate if need be in order to maintain the human race. However, due to the nature of the advancement of technology (specifically in the medical area), humans not only live longer, but are beginning to render themselves impervious to some of these methods. So, seeing as there is more than one way to kill someone, nature/god moves on to another way - say, from black plague to cancer. Going further, perhaps trying to cure diseases and such is working against the race, in that if the death rate is non - existant, we will be worse off?...

Yes but why would an all powerfull god need to use a natural process? Couldn't he just rig us to drop at a certain point, and make this mechanisim impossible to tamper with? An all knowing being knows what the future will be, so he can't be caught by suprise. If he didn't want you to conquer his methods of killing he would have engineered it so you couldn't.

 

[Sceptic Realist]

Yes but why would an all powerfull god need to use a natural process? Couldn't he just rig us to drop at a certain point, and make this mechanisim impossible to tamper with? An all knowing being knows what the future will be, so he can't be caught by suprise. If he didn't want you to conquer his methods of killing he would have engineered it so you couldn't.

Good point.

 

[Huntster]

....I have a thought (just a musing): nature (or god, whatever), in order to control the population, needs to have ways of increasing the death rate if need be in order to maintain the human race. However, due to the nature of the advancement of technology (specifically in the medical area), humans not only live longer, but are beginning to render themselves impervious to some of these methods. So, seeing as there is more than one way to kill someone, nature/god moves on to another way - say, from black plague to cancer. Going further, perhaps trying to cure diseases and such is working against the race, in that if the death rate is non - existant, we will be worse off?.....

I think along those same lines. Ultimately, balance will be achieved. It can be no other way. Otherwise, the universe would never have made it thus far.

Even if man, accelerating his learning on how to control his environment, is able to cheat death more and more, it is fruitless, and likely even disasterous. We will end up killing each other in competition for resources. We see it now. It has always been so.

BTW, I love your user name. At one time, on another forum, I was known as "Realist."

Too bad more skeptics don't balance their skepticism with realism.

 

[Huntster]

......[the following argument is made under the assumption that there is a god, an assumption I do not hold true.]
All people who die are people who die to make room for more people
Some people who die are people who die painfully
Some people who die to make room for more people are people who die to make room for terrible people
Therefore
Some people who die painfully are people who die to maker room for terrible people

You call that logic?

People who choose evil are people, too. They choose evil, not God. God is opposed to evil, and has tried to teach us that.

Originally Posted by Huntster
So what is it? You think you deserve to live biologically forever? And the trillions of people who have been born, lived, and died before you shouldn't have been born so that you could have room for your utopia through eternity?

Im atheist, I don't think I deserve anything. That being said, your using incorrect logic to try and refute my point. I never said I should live forever, my statement is that a loving god wouldn't need to kill people in such terrible and horrible ways.

The same "terrible and horrible" ways to die affect all biological life.

You have chosen cancer to describe "terrible and horrible." Have you ever been the victim of violence from the type of people you're using in your "logic" to replace "the children" you're describing dying "terrible and horrible" deaths? Do you think being carved to death by the likes of, say, Jack the Ripper is somehow "nicer" than cancer?

Get a clue: biological death sucks, but it awaits us all.

Wait until you try spiritual death. It lasts forever.

Your refutement looks like this.

All people are beings that need to die one day
No beings that need to die one day are beings that can live forever
Therefore
Some people are beings that need to die in horrible ways

It looks that way to your sick mind. Try this:

All people are biological creatures that die like all other biological creatures
No biological creatures can live forever
Death can come from a fall, a shutdown of bodily organs, violence, disease, blunt trauma, etc, etc, etc.

You need to somehow connect people and beings that need to die in horrible ways together, and I personally don't see how it can be done. In your world every terrible disease and ailment is a creation of god, so all the suffering those diseases cause is also gods. That thought would sicken me if I believed in a god.

You're attempting to use biology to condemn God. Repeatedly in the Bible, the reference to the spirit is what God is concerned with, not biology.

God created man "in His image and likeness." That isn't biological, it's spiritual.

You're gonna die biologically. Me, too. Everybody else on this forum, too. Get over it.

Concern yourself with the spirit so it doesn't die as well.

 

[Huntster]

...Yes but why would an all powerfull god need to use a natural process? Couldn't he just rig us to drop at a certain point, and make this mechanisim impossible to tamper with?...

So we all know our "timing"? Clockwork?

You don't like the natural process? All live a certain number of moments, then painlessly evaporate?

Are you serious?

An all knowing being knows what the future will be, so he can't be caught by suprise. If he didn't want you to conquer his methods of killing he would have engineered it so you couldn't.

He did. You can't escape biological death.

Period.

 

[Paulhoff]

So God should have made biological beings that don't get sick and die? Don't get injured? Live forever? Dogs too? Mosquitoes? Trees? No biological death?

Well then there is no heaven after all.

Then there couldn't be reproduction, either, because there wouldn't be enough room or resources. Hell, there wouldn't be enough anyway. Biological beings can't eat rocks. They eat other biological beings.

You and your ideas of a god are Pathetic, we are talking about your so-called god, and now you justify that god’s treatment of children and you still worship him, that is nothing but pathetic.

Paul

 

[Paulhoff]

Funny isn’t, these people who worship a so-called god, would in a heart beat sue anyone that build anything defective that hurt and or killed any of their loved ones. But when it comes to their so-called god, that so-called god can do anything to any loved one and they still kiss its ass.

Paul

 

[trvlr2]

Funny isn’t, these people who worship a so-called god, would in a heart beat sue anyone that build anything defective that hurt and or killed any of their loved ones. But when it comes to their so-called god, that so-called god can do anything to any loved one and they still kiss its ass.

Paul

Paul- I thought the ass-kissing had to do with devil worship. I guess I stand corrected; the two seem somehow related?

 

[kurious_kathy]

Funny isn’t, these people who worship a so-called god, would in a heart beat sue anyone that build anything defective that hurt and or killed any of their loved ones. But when it comes to their so-called god, that so-called god can do anything to any loved one and they still kiss its ass.

Paul

Paul, do you remeber Job's story? The words though He may slay me I know my redeemer lives, and someday when I pass over to eternity I will be with Him. So if we think of it in an eternal perspective it really doesn't matter what we go through in this life because this life is temporary. I myself have no more fear of death because I know without any shadow of doubt that heaven is real and followers of Christ will get to be with Him forever.

I myself can't wait for my redeemed body cuz this ones already gone through heck. I just returned home from my neck surgery that went very well, even though I certainly don't enjoy going under the knife. I believe this is my seventh surgery thus far. Oh well, it's only temporary.

I was joking around with the nurses and doctors in the hospital and told them I think I'll order a custom bumper sticker just for me that says... My orthopedist loves me!