Bullish on Bernie: The Bernie Sanders 2016 Thread

[Joey McGee]

Lobbyists are gaming the system by definition.

Perfect! Exactly as I am saying. It is all poison, we don't have to look at why it is necessary or what they are doing... They are biased! Therefore everything they say is ********.

Ladies and gentleman, I rest my case.

 

[Manopolus]

The most meaningless statement I have read on this forum in a long time... science is hard, yes. Political science, even harder. But get off of your ass and put something out there or you might as well sit at home and read the newspaper.

Yeah that's one thing we liberals can agree on, Obama, the anti-academia candidate... Factually wrong in so many ways...

Okay, you want evidence for the Goldman Sachs angle, I take it? It's not really my angle, but here:

https://prof77.wordpress.com/politi...o-the-obama-government-including-elena-kagan/

You're sort of trying to corner me into a position I never intended to take though.

III. COMBINED LIST OF GOLDIES TIED TO THE OBAMA GOVERNMENT.
This lists compiles the names above and those in the prior diary on this. For more detail on names not annotated in this diary, see the earlier diary linked here):

ALTMAN, ROGER.
BERKOWITZ, HOWARD P.
BIDEN, JOE.
BRAINARD, LAEL.
BUFFETT, WARREN.
CLINTON, HILLARY.
CRAIG, GREGORY. (revolving door)
DONILON, THOMAS.
DUDLEY, WILLIAM C.
EFFRON, BLAIR W.
ELMENDORF, DOUGLAS.
EMANUEL, RAHM.
FARRELL, DIANA.
FRIEDMAN, STEPHEN.
FROMAN, Michael.
FUDGE, ANNE.
FURMAN, JASON.
GALLOGLY, MARK.
GEITHNER, TIMOTHY.
GENSLER, GARY.
GEPHARDT, RICHARD (aka “DICK”) A.
GREENSTONE, MICHAEL (revolving door to Hamilton Project)
HAMILTON PROJECT, THE
HORMATS, ROBERT.
KAGAN, ELENA.
KASHKARI, NEEL.
KORNBLUH, KAREN.
LEW, JACOB (AKA “JACK”) J.
LIDDY, EDWARD MICHAEL.
LIPTON, DAVID A.
MINDICH, ERIC
MURPHY, PHILLIP.
NIEDERAUER, DUNCAN.
OBAMA, BARACK H.
ORSZAG, PETER.
PATTERSON, MARK.
PERRY, RICHARD.
RATTNER, STEVE.
REISCHAUER, ROBERT D.
RIVLIN, ALICE.
RUBIN, JAMES.
RUBIN, ROBERT.
SHAFRAN, STEVEN.
SPERLING, GENE.
STORCH, ADAM.
SUMMERS, LARRY.
THAIN, JOHN.
TYSON, LAURA D’ANDREA.

 

[Maya22]

Yeah that's one thing we liberals can agree on, Obama, the anti-academia candidate... Factually wrong in so many ways...

Because Harvard is worse than Trump University. </sarcasm>

 

[Joey McGee]

Okay, you want evidence for the Goldman Sachs angle, I take it? It's not really my angle, but here:

https://prof77.wordpress.com/politi...o-the-obama-government-including-elena-kagan/

No. I am not reading that giant wordpress blog to try and understand what your point is. Summarize what it means in a few paragraphs, convince me to read it.

You're sort of trying to corner me into a position I never intended to take though.

How is this even conceivably possible in reality?

 

[Manopolus]

You're sort of trying to corner me into a position I never intended to take though.

How is this even conceivably possible in reality?

Usually by strawmanning someone that doesn't have a concrete position yet.

 

[Joey McGee]

Oh now a big list of people supposedly "tied to the Obama government" is supposed to tell me that Obama does whatevery Wall St. says. This is conspiracy theory logic. Baffling brains with ******** with a good deal of Gish Galloping for good measure. Don't insult my intelligence...

 

[Joey McGee]

double post, forum's slow I guess

 

[Manopolus]

Oh now a big list of people supposedly "tied to the Obama government" is supposed to tell me that Obama does whatevery Wall St. says. This is conspiracy theory logic. Baffling brains with ******** with a good deal of Gish Galloping for good measure. Don't insult my intelligence...

You might read the list again. Most of these are people that we actually know are tied to the Obama government. If you want to question any of it, I'd say that questioning the Goldman Sachs connection is the way to go, especially considering that Joe Biden is on the list. I really have no idea how solid the connections are. I'm just aware that the point has been made.

To be honest, it was the first hit on a google search.

It has been one of Elizabeth Warren's talking points (I get her in my FB feed). I'm actually fairly neutral, because these aren't things that I have researched. I do tend to trust Warren on these subjects though. It's not a concrete position, as I've mentioned.

 

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Whom are you voting for? I can never tell. LOL!

Don't know. We don't know the candidates yet. Hillary vs ????

 

[Joey McGee]

You might read the list again. Most of these are people that we actually know are tied to the Obama government. If you want to question any of it, I'd say that questioning the Goldman Sachs connection is the way to go, especially considering that Joe Biden is on the list. I really have no idea how solid the connections are. I'm just aware that the point has been made.

To be honest, it was the first hit on a google search.

It has been one of Elizabeth Warren's talking points (I get her in my FB feed). I'm actually fairly neutral, because these aren't things that I have researched.

I've never seen such an honest explanation for throwing poop.

 

[Manopolus]

I've never seen such an honest explanation for throwing poop.

Again, you're the one that pushed me into that part of the argument. I had no intention of going there. I am aware of points that have been made, but I'll freely admit to not personally being an expert in this area.

 

[The Big Dog]

Don't know. We don't know the candidates yet. Hillary vs ????

Bernie.

See that thread title: Bullish on Bernie: The Bernie Sanders 2016 Thread?

Perhaps you will want to start your own thread called "Silly for Hilly" or "Crazy for the Clintons" or "Hillary likely did not commit several felonies" or "She ain't heavy She's the Dear Leader" to moon over Hillary in?

 

[Joey McGee]

Again, you're the one that pushed me into that part of the argument. I had no intention of going there. I am aware of points that have been made, but I'll freely admit to not personally being an expert in this area.

It's my fault that you can't back up your claims? I'm an expert in this area... as you can tell by my perfect command of the issues. Is the difference the school that we attended or my willingness to tie facts to claims? You tell me.

 

[Manopolus]

It's my fault that you can't back up your claims? I'm an expert in this area... as you can tell by my perfect command of the issues. Is the difference the school that we attended or my willingness to tie facts to claims? You tell me.

Quite a bizarre response, considering that my original post on the matter merely stated a fact of human nature that I rather doubt anybody with half a brain would disagree with. I was attempting to describe the problem from a different angle... that's all. What the hell are you all worked up about? Did I insult you somehow? You seem to be wanting to pick a fight over something that I'm not interested enough in to bother.

 

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Bernie.

See that thread title: Bullish on Bernie: The Bernie Sanders 2016 Thread?

Perhaps you will want to start your own thread called "Silly for Hilly" or "Crazy for the Clintons" or "Hillary likely did not commit several felonies" or "She ain't heavy She's the Dear Leader" to moon over Hillary in?

That race is over. I have to wait to see who is on the ballot in Nov before deciding. Thus, Hillary vs ?????.

 

[The Big Dog]

That race is over. I have to wait to see who is on the ballot in Nov before deciding. Thus, Hillary vs ?????.

Long way to go, what with Billy Boy completely trodding on his tallywacker again, Hillay showing incipient dementia, the Benghazi report and the big reveal by the FBI/DOJ it is a long way off, thank god.

Still time to save the Party and put up a solid electable candidate against Donald.

#stillsanders, #FeeltheBernIncessantly

 

[Joey McGee]

Quite a bizarre response, considering that my original post on the matter merely stated a fact of human nature that I rather doubt anybody with half a brain would disagree with. I was attempting to describe the problem from a different angle... that's all. What the hell are you all worked up about? Did I insult you somehow? You seem to be wanting to fight over something that I'm not particularly interested in.

It's you who is not clear about what your post about goldman sachs has to do with Obama policy, and you with an unwillingness to back up what you think that means with a reasoned arguments! You're giving excuses... JAQing off basically... you're the one who painted yourself into a corner, now you're questioning my sanity for questioning why you had the lack of foresight to do so!

Makes all my points for me if you don't mind me saying so.

 

[Manopolus]

It's you who is not clear about what your post about goldman sachs has to do with Obama policy, and you with an unwillingness to back up what you think that means with a reasoned arguments! You're giving excuses... JAQing off basically... you're the one who painted yourself into a corner, now you're questioning my sanity for questioning why you had the lack of foresight to do so!

Makes all my points for me if you don't mind me saying so.

You seem to think that having a formal, pre-evaluated and completely vetted argument is a pre-requisite to posting here. It isn't that I know of. That appears to be where the disconnect is. I wasn't looking for a debate. I merely had a thought to share on the subject at hand.

 

[Joey McGee]

Long way to go, what with Billy Boy completely trodding on his tallywacker again, Hillay showing incipient dementia, the Benghazi report and the big reveal by the FBI/DOJ it is a long way off, thank god.

Still time to save the Party and put up a solid electable candidate against Donald.

#stillsanders, #FeeltheBernIncessantly

So you think that Bill's penis is going to weight into the elecion, that BENGHAZIII!!!! is going to influence the election, and that the FBI is going to put Hilary in jail... dude, thinking Sanders has a chance at the nom is more sane than this....

 

[Joey McGee]

You seem to think that having a formal, pre-evaluated and completely vetted argument is a pre-requisite to posting here. It isn't that I know of. That appears to be where the disconnect is.

Here you have an excuse for being vague initially, but not continually...

I'm puting "GOLDMAN SACHS!!!11!1!!" up there with "BENGHAZIII!!!!1!!!1!!" from now on.