Bullish on Bernie: The Bernie Sanders 2016 Thread

[Axiom_Blade]

No, our system makes it impossible for a third party to win the Presidency.

How did Lincoln become president, then? At that time, the Republicans were a "third party".

 

[Trakar]

How is saying what everyone else is thinking, and also saying, spreading a rumour?

Care to more specifically define "everyone" and provide compelling supportive evidence for your assertion?

 

[Trakar]

Those are states and it doesn't include Republicans. The majority of Democrats in the country so far are supporting Clinton.

A majority of the Democratic primary voters, who have voted thus far...is a very distinct population from the majority of the Democratic voters in the country. If Hillary's turnout in November doesn't vastly exceed the Democratic turnout and support she has demonstrated so far, who ever the GOP puts up to match her will win handily.

 

[Trakar]

How Bernie Sanders supporters shut down a Donald Trump rally in Chicago

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/how-bernie-sanders-supporters-shut-down-donald-trump-rally-chicago

When Ja’Mal Green, a prominent black activist and Bernie Sanders supporter in Chicago, saw that Donald Trump was coming to the University of Illinois Chicago, he knew what he had to do. “Everyone, get your tickets to this. We’re all going in!!!! ‪#‎SHUTITDOWN‬,” he posted on Facebook last week.

Little did he know they actually would shut it down.

Friday night, hundreds of protesters invaded Trump’s rally while thousands more marched outside, leading the candidate to abruptly cancel the event due to safety concerns. The night spun out from there, as angry Trump fans clashed with protesters, who saw the shutdown as a victory.

Protesters interrupt virtually every Trump speech. But what made Chicago different were its scale and the organization behind the effort. Hundreds of young, largely black and brown people poured in from across the city, taking over whole sections of the arena and bracing for trouble.

And as the repeated chants of “Ber-nie” demonstrated, it was largely organized by supporters of Bernie Sanders, the Democratic presidential candidate who has struggled to win over black voters, but whose revolutionary streak has excited radicals of all colors.

“Remember the #TrumpRally wasn’t just luck. It took organizers from dozens of organizations and thousands of people to pull off. Great work,” tweeted People for Bernie, a large unofficial pro-Sanders organization founded by veterans of the Occupy movement and other lefty activists.

A movement begins to find its voice in issues beyond electing its candidate, we'll need a lot more of this type of mobilization during Sanders' first term to help the pass the laws that neither of the establishment party cores want to put into effect in our country.

 

[Tony Stark]

How did Lincoln become president, then? At that time, the Republicans were a "third party".

No it wasn't. Republicans were already a major party. The Republican candidate came in second in the 1856 election. Before that, the Whigs were the other major party, but they collapsed over the issue of slavery and became the Republicans. Lincoln himself was a Whig until 1854.

 

[Dog Town]

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/how-bernie-sanders-supporters-shut-down-donald-trump-rally-chicago


A movement begins to find its voice in issues beyond electing its candidate, we'll need a lot more of this type of mobilization during Sanders' first term to help the pass the laws that neither of the establishment party cores want to put into effect in our country.

What I find interesting about all of this, is the "Black and Brown" aspect.
Apparently the numbers of minorities are growing for "Feel the Bern"!

 

[varwoche]

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/how-bernie-sanders-supporters-shut-down-donald-trump-rally-chicago


A movement begins to find its voice in issues beyond electing its candidate, we'll need a lot more of this type of mobilization during Sanders' first term to help the pass the laws that neither of the establishment party cores want to put into effect in our country.

I disagree strongly. These tactics play into Trump's (tiny) hands. A less disruptive approach would be much more effective.

 

[wareyin]

A majority of the Democratic primary voters, who have voted thus far...is a very distinct population from the majority of the Democratic voters in the country. If Hillary's turnout in November doesn't vastly exceed the Democratic turnout and support she has demonstrated so far, who ever the GOP puts up to match her will win handily.

By your logic, Sanders would need to exceed Democratic turnout and support by even greater numbers than Clinton would. This seems to be a good reason to support Clinton over Sanders, as she has an easier path to victory.

 

[varwoche]

Sanders is supposedly beating Clinton in this demographic, that demographic, and every other demographic. And yet he's (so far) losing. Perplexing.

 

[Trakar]

I disagree strongly. These tactics play into Trump's (tiny) hands. A less disruptive approach would be much more effective.

Please define an appropriate level of disruption/interaction which is acceptable, in your opinion.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

A majority of the Democratic primary voters, who have voted thus far...is a very distinct population from the majority of the Democratic voters in the country. If Hillary's turnout in November doesn't vastly exceed the Democratic turnout and support she has demonstrated so far, who ever the GOP puts up to match her will win handily.

Yet you have no evidence to support the assertion Sanders will have a majority while the current evidence does not support your conclusion.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/how-bernie-sanders-supporters-shut-down-donald-trump-rally-chicago


A movement begins to find its voice in issues beyond electing its candidate, we'll need a lot more of this type of mobilization during Sanders' first term to help the pass the laws that neither of the establishment party cores want to put into effect in our country.

I would love to see that movement mobilize the change the make up of the Congress where it could actually accomplish the things Sanders cannot accomplish as POTUS.

 

[Trakar]

What I find interesting about all of this, is the "Black and Brown" aspect.
Apparently the numbers of minorities are growing for "Feel the Bern"!

What impresses me is the grass-roots organization, coordination and turnout.
Mainly because this is what we need for the rest of the primary decisions.

 

[Trakar]

I would love to see that movement mobilize the change the make up of the Congress where it could actually accomplish the things Sanders cannot accomplish as POTUS.

As Sanders has always said, his role is to support the people's will. It has never been about what Sanders his self as POTUS can deliver, it is how he can facilitate the public will to accomplish the acts that return power to the voters and show them the benefits of realizing what all they can accomplish working together for their future.

I'm perfectly content with a president who sees the bully pulpit as their primary role as POTUS.

 

[Trakar]

Yet you have no evidence to support the assertion Sanders will have a majority while the current evidence does not support your conclusion.

non-sequitor

 

[varwoche]

Please define an appropriate level of disruption/interaction which is acceptable, in your opinion.

They could stand in unison, silently. This would be a more powerful, more effective statement. Imo of course.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

non-sequitor

 

[Trakar]

By your logic, Sanders would need to exceed Democratic turnout and support by even greater numbers than Clinton would. This seems to be a good reason to support Clinton over Sanders, as she has an easier path to victory.

Half the democratic turnout and half of the independent turnout, with a campaign that excites and expands the overall Left turnout would support a Democratic candidate to a win in November. A Hillary campaign that depresses democratic turnout and excites a larger Republican turnout is nothing but a path to a Trump presidency.

 

[wareyin]

Half the democratic turnout and half of the independent turnout, with a campaign that excites and expands the overall Left turnout would support a Democratic candidate to a win in November. A Hillary campaign that depresses democratic turnout and excites a larger Republican turnout is nothing but a path to a Trump presidency.

If Clinton will depress voter turnout more than Sanders, why is Clinton getting more votes than Sanders?

eta: Have you seen the polling for the March 15th primaries? Clinton is trouncing Sanders in every state that is voting. I realize that the Michigan polls were way off, but I doubt that the rest will be similarly flawed.

 

[Trakar]

If Clinton will depress voter turnout more than Sanders, why is Clinton getting more votes than Sanders?...

Because establishment Democratic supporters are more likely to both vote in the primaries and vote for the establishment candidate. That is why, for the most part, when the primary turnout is greater than 80% of what it was in 2008, Sanders wins. There is also a correlation pointing to a direct link between the volume of turnout over 80% being indicative of the size of the Sanders win margin. This isn't a hard and fast rule, but with a single exception, so far, it seems to be a pretty good Rule of Thumb.