Building collapses with NO explosives.

Dave Rogers said:
Kader toy factory and the steel framed sections of the Madrid Windsor.

Dave
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The Kader toy factory was not a high rise and its steel frame was uninsulated. I suppose this is consistent with a thread that has yet to provide a relevant comparison.
 
RedIbis said:
The Kader toy factory was not a high rise and its steel frame was uninsulated. I suppose this is consistent with a thread that has yet to provide a relevant comparison.
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Actually Red that makes it more certain that wtc1,2 and 7 would collapse.

Considering that the smaller building which wasn't a highrise, which didn't have the mass sitting above it for 40 floors collapsed. It makes more sense that the high rises would collapse... doesn't it?

I mean we have two high rises structures with the insulation blown off in the fire zones, burning and collapsing.

The arguements from incredulity and ignorance are there...

and the shifting of the goalposts to the first time in history of a speciic type of building collapsing due to fire.
 
TruthersLie said:
But did she fall from 30,000 feet and live? Yes or no?

Wouldn't that be incredibly improbable? It must be fake under good old profanz's logic.
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Maybe it is fake.

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"The new investigation says villagers from Srbská Kamenice, the Czechoslovakian village near the East German border where the Yugoslav Airlines DC9 fell on a wooded and snowy hillside, reported having seen the plane intact but on fire below the clouds before it broke up. That and the small area of crash debris indicated the plane had disintegrated at around 800 metres. A second plane was also spotted.

Hornung, whose investigation was broadcast on German radio at the weekend, said his evidence showed the aircraft got into difficulty and diverted from its course. "It went into a steep descent and found itself over a sensitive military area" – just two flight minutes from a nuclear weapons storage facility.

Soviet leader Leonid Brezhnev and his East German counterpart Erich Honecker were reportedly in the air at the time after a conference in Prague, supporting the theory that the DC9 was mistaken for a military threat to them.

Vulovic has no memory of the crash and can only recall boarding the Zagreb-bound flight before it took off in Copenhagen. When interviewed recently she said she would not be disappointed if the world record turned out not to be true.

A spokesman for Guinness World Records told German paper Taz: "It seems that at the time Guinness was duped by this swindle just like the rest of the media.""


800 metres is a far cry from 30,000 feet.
 
Profanz said:
Not two Powerballs and one state lottery in on the same day.
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I mean all of these people need to be investigated
http://www.cracked.com/article_17416_the-7-most-bizarrely-unlucky-people-who-ever-lived.html

http://www.cracked.com/article_17416_the-7-most-bizarrely-unlucky-people-who-ever-lived_p2.html

I mean what are the odds that you would be in NYC on 9/11 and then be in London on 7/7 and in Mumbai on the attacks.... They must be in on it.. because it is wildly improbably.

Or
Getting struck by lightening 7x.

Or
being on three ocean liners and all of them sinking

Or
being in Hiroshima when the Abomb went of, and then going home to Nagasaki and getting hit by that one too...

He must have been in on it...
 
i was in Hong Kong on 9-11.

and then I was in D.C. when the plane crashed into the Rockaways 2 months later.

I must have been in on it.
 
Fourbrick said:
800 metres is a far cry from 30,000 feet.
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800 metres or 30,000 feet - so what. 800 metres is aprox 1/2 mile high. Thats pretty damn high. I open my parachute at roughly that height and have done thousands of times. I would more than likely die without it. How often have you hung in the air at 1/2 mile. Its a long way up.
 
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When were 4 commercial aircraft previously hyjacked on the same day?

When did 19 terrorists fool US security previous to 911?

When in previous history have 3 commercial aircraft been intentionally crashed into buildings?

The list of previous 'whens' for 911 goes on. No precendence is just another wacky arguementative stick to wave because the TM have nothing alse. Clutching at straws and scraping that barrel.
 
Fourbrick said:
Maybe it is fake.

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"The new investigation says villagers from Srbská Kamenice, the Czechoslovakian village near the East German border where the Yugoslav Airlines DC9 fell on a wooded and snowy hillside, reported having seen the plane intact but on fire below the clouds before it broke up. That and the small area of crash debris indicated the plane had disintegrated at around 800 metres. A second plane was also spotted.

Hornung, whose investigation was broadcast on German radio at the weekend, said his evidence showed the aircraft got into difficulty and diverted from its course. "It went into a steep descent and found itself over a sensitive military area" – just two flight minutes from a nuclear weapons storage facility.

Soviet leader Leonid Brezhnev and his East German counterpart Erich Honecker were reportedly in the air at the time after a conference in Prague, supporting the theory that the DC9 was mistaken for a military threat to them.

Vulovic has no memory of the crash and can only recall boarding the Zagreb-bound flight before it took off in Copenhagen. When interviewed recently she said she would not be disappointed if the world record turned out not to be true.

A spokesman for Guinness World Records told German paper Taz: "It seems that at the time Guinness was duped by this swindle just like the rest of the media.""


800 metres is a far cry from 30,000 feet.
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Sure...

Lets buy into your theory that it was a hoax. It actaully makes her survival even more interesting and LESS probable.

You know being on a jet which was shot down and then falling 800 meters.

either way it is rather improbable wouldn't you agree?
 
parky76 said:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/air_space/4344036.html
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From this article
Popular Mechanics said:
Surviving a plunge surrounded by a semiprotective cocoon of debris is more common than surviving a pure free-fall, according to Hamilton’s statistics; 31 such confirmed or “plausible” incidents have occurred since the 1940s. Free-fallers constitute a much more exclusive club, with just 13 confirmed or plausible incidents, including perennial Ripley’s Believe It or Not superstar Alan Magee—blown from his B-17 on a 1943 mission over France. The New Jersey airman, more recently the subject of a MythBusters episode, fell 20,000 feet and crashed into a train station; he was subsequently captured by German troops, who were astonished at his survival
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That would be 44 individuals who have fallen from over 20,000 feet and lived without a parachute.

Wildly improbable results... but guess what Profanz? They happened.

Improbable events occur.

Oh and Pro... here is someone who as won two lotteries on the same day.
http://www.lotterypost.com/news/197767
http://wbztv.com/local/man.wins.lottery.2.1102577.html

The odds of winning the lottery's Fantasy 5 game are 1-in 575,000. For SuperLotto, 1-in-41 million.

And the chance of winning both jackpots on the same day?

``This is just amazing, astronomical,' said Stanford University statistics professor Tom Cover as he calculated the probability of the doubleheader. ``Oh brother.'

One-in-23.575 trillion.
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Wildly improbable events occur. So please drop the BS about first time in history, and it being too improbable to occur on the same day... it is crap based on personal ignorance and incredulity.
 
Jackanory said:
When were 4 commercial aircraft previously hyjacked on the same day?

When did 19 terrorists fool US security previous to 911?

When in previous history have 3 commercial aircraft been intentionally crashed into buildings?
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Truthers never seem to get that the whole key to the terrorist attack was that it was unexpected. Of course, unprecedented things happened. We weren't prepared for unprecedented things, and that's where we were vulnerable in the terrorist's eyes.
 
So? Has anyone yet found a steel high rise building that has ever been completely destroyed because of anything other than explosives? Except for 9/11? I wonder if believing in the OCT someday will be a a full fledged religion. The church of OCT. I've often wondered the same thing about Elvis. Elvis could be the new Jesus or Moses in the future. Unless the OCT trumps him.
 
Profanz said:
So? Has anyone yet found a steel high rise building that has ever been completely destroyed because of anything other than explosives? Except for 9/11? I wonder if believing in the OCT someday will be a a full fledged religion. The church of OCT. I've often wondered the same thing about Elvis. Elvis could be the new Jesus or Moses in the future. Unless the OCT trumps him.
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blah blah blah.

Again, lets frame this question in the correct way.

Have you found any other steel framed high rise building which has been struck by a jet at 500 mph, and not had firefighting occur?

Find me one of those, and I'll show you another high rise steel framed building which collapses.

Try again.
 
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