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Merged British drugs advisor sacked / Science & Nazis

A.A.Alfie said:
I don't getcha.
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The rabid Daily Mail's response to Nutt's sacking:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...er-Nutt-wrong-risks-drugs-say-scientists.html

Scientists backed the sacking of David Nutt last night as it emerged the future of the Government's Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs is under review.
Fellow experts condemned the former ACMD chairman as 'politically naive' and said he should have kept his controversial views on cannabis and ecstasy to himself
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How do you think it would have reacted if the government followed the advice of the expert committee?
 
lionking said:
The rabid Daily Mail's response to Nutt's sacking:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...er-Nutt-wrong-risks-drugs-say-scientists.html
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There's an editiorial by A. N. Wilson which makes interesting reading:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...arrogant-gods-certainty-truly-hell-earth.html

"The worship of science is the great superstition of our age." Replace science with woo in that sentence and you might be halfway right. Then there's this:

"Science rules - and it does so with just as much energy as the old Spanish Inquisition"
 
I love the way they went through their files to find the most unflattering photo of Nutt. Do these guys think they are fooling anyone?

Sorry, of course they do.
 
I've noticed recently that almost all the comments on the Daily Mail stories about this are violently against the spin that the Mail is putting on it. Is this because Mail readers are more sensible than the Mail thinks, or is it just that the sort of people who write comments on the internet are?
 
commandlinegamer said:
There's an editorial by A. N. Wilson which makes interesting reading:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...arrogant-gods-certainty-truly-hell-earth.html

"The worship of science is the great superstition of our age." Replace science with woo in that sentence and you might be halfway right. Then there's this:

"Science rules - and it does so with just as much energy as the old Spanish Inquisition"
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you missed this gem (caption to a photo of Hitler on that page) "Adolf Hitler: The Nazi Germany leader believed in science as the only truth"
 
brodski said:
you missed this gem (caption to a photo of Hitler on that page) "Adolf Hitler: The Nazi Germany leader believed in science as the only truth"
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Well if there's one newspaper that knows what Hitler thought about something it would be the Mail....
 
In a letter, the home secretary wrote: "I cannot have public confusion between scientific advice and policy..."
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I don't think there's ever been any chance of drugs policy being confused with scientific advice.
 
brodski said:
you missed this gem (caption to a photo of Hitler on that page) "Adolf Hitler: The Nazi Germany leader believed in science as the only truth"
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As long as the science in question wasn't "Jewish", of course. Not just a Godwin, but a totally ignorant Godwin.
 
Great quote from the article: "The trouble with a 'scientific' argument is that it relies solely on empirical facts".
 
British Daily Mail: Science and Nazis.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...arrogant-gods-certainty-truly-hell-earth.html

This is a national UK newspaper that is claiming that science lead to the Nazis and that science is effectively immoral.

Unbelievable.

We hear a lot about the bovine brain disease BSE which was passed onto humans, and the possible cures which science might effect. But how often do we hear that BSE was almost certainly passed on to other cattle because scientists had encouraged farmers to force their animals to eat concentrated foods which contained beef products?

Going back in time, some people think that Hitler invented the revolting experiments performed by Dr Mengele on human beings and animals.
Irrationality

But the Nazis did not invent these things. The only difference between Hitler and previous governments was that he believed, with babyish credulity, in science as the only truth. He allowed scientists freedoms which a civilised government would have checked.

I am not suggesting that any British scientists are currently conducting experiments comparable to those which were allowed in Nazi Germany or in Soviet Russia.

But I see the same habit of mind at work in Professor Nutt and his colleagues as made those mad scientists of the 20th century think they were above the moral law which governs the rest of us mortals.

The worship of science is the great superstition of our age. The scientific adviser speaks and we are all supposed to believe him, whether he is promoting crops genetically modified to withstand huge doses of poisonous weedkillers and pesticides, or tampering with the origin of human life itself in so-called stem cell research.

Those who dare question scientists are demonised for their irrationality. Global warming may or may not be a certainty, but anyone who queries it has his sanity questioned. Cast doubt on these gods of certainty and you are accused of wanting to suppress free expression - which is the argument now being used by Nutt and pals against the Home Secretary.

In fact, it is the arrogant scientific establishment which questions free expression. Think of the hoo-ha which occurred when one hospital doctor dared to question the wisdom of using the MMR vaccine.

The point here is not whether he was right or wrong - it was the way in which the scientific establishment closed ranks in order to assassinate him. There was a blanket denunciation of his heresy, just as there is if anyone dares to point out some of the mistakes made by that very fallible genius Charles Darwin.

Science rules - and it does so with just as much energy as the old Spanish Inquisition that refused to allow any creed other than Catholicism, and with the Inquisition's need to distort arguments and control the brains of men and women who might otherwise think for themselves.
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My bold.
 
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We hear a lot about the bovine brain disease BSE which was passed onto humans, and the possible cures which science might effect. But how often do we hear that BSE was almost certainly passed on to other cattle because scientists had encouraged farmers to force their animals to eat concentrated foods which contained beef products?
Of course they don't mention how their beloved Tory MPs told the scientific community to STFU when they started to highlight issues with beef, culminating in Gummer force feeding his poor child a gristle-burger
 
The trouble is, some people believe that the Daily Mail is a newspaper - and even believe what's in it!
 
Lets pause to remind ourselves of Lord Rothermere's words of support to Hitler and his use of science:

Lord Rothermere, telegram to Adolf Hitler 1st October, 1938
My dear Fuhrer everyone in England is profoundly moved by the bloodless solution to the Czechoslovakian problem. People not so much concerned with territorial readjustment as with dread of another war with its accompanying bloodbath. Frederick the Great was a great popular figure. I salute your Excellency’s star, which rises higher and higher.
 
The Daily Wail? Calling it a newspaper is stretching things rather a bit.
At least once a week the Daily Mail likes to take some time off putting the boot into dark-skinned foreigners to report on a health fad or some medical feelgood/scare stories they pulled out of their arse. The fact that these stories frequently contradict the ones they published last week is entirely besides the point. Clinical studies have shown that neither of their readers' attention spans last that long.
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I think the daily Fascist's attitude to science is best revealed in the recent divergence between their Irish and UK editions.

In the UK, which recently introduced universal HPV vaccination for 12 to 18 year old girls they ran a series of articles opposing this which can be summarised as
'Labour government trying to turn your teenage daughters into whores'

At the same time in the Irish edition (Ireland cancelled the planned vaccination program for financial reasons) they ran articles on the line of:

'Fianna Fail witholding life saving vaccine from the flower of Irish maidenhood'

There is no arguing with that.
 
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