British creationism museum with pics

[Wowbagger]

This is the caption for the display with the RAM chips and DNA double helix in:

The science of Information Theory tells us that information only comes from an intelligent source.

Someone better alert the folks using Information Theory to describe sunsets, mountains, volcanic eruptions, and tornadoes!

 

[ChrisC]

Thanks for the photo tour! I like their building.

 

[BTMO]

There are some *very* cool museums in the UK - I *really* want to go back there.

I doubt I will visit that museum though...

 

[Big Les]

Well one of their quotes comes from 1994 so must date from after that.

Early '80s in style, not necessarily actual date. They patently haven't a clue about how to design a modern museum display.

 

[kitakaze]

Now this is the first of the Dioramas they are so proud of. This one is the probably the best of the lot. A mix of what are either fossils or reporductions of them and various notices with claims like no proto-reptile has ever been found and some stuff about no intermediate steps between scales and feathers.

Morons.

Somebody should be kind enough to let them no nobody is wondering about elongated scales anymore. Feathers began as a fine, downy insulation on warm-blooded theropods with a central stalk and simple branching structure. They started simply as integumentary tubes of keratinous skin.

Very cool show the YEC whackos should watch:

The Dinosaur Feather Mystery.

Some creatures you won't be hearing about in that museum:

Deinonychus

Sinosauropteryx

Protoarchaeopteryx

Caudipteryx

Microraptor

The clade of coelurosaurian dinosaurs Maniraptora.

 

[Ranb]

So were the displays mostly "this is an example of why evolution is wrong, therefore ID is right"? Or did they have anything in there that supported their ID theory that did not also take a stab at evolution?

Most of what I read that is supposed to support ID are "facts" that show evolution is wrong, therefore ID is the only thing left that can explain things.

Ranb

 

[geni]

So were the displays mostly "this is an example of why evolution is wrong, therefore ID is right"? Or did they have anything in there that supported their ID theory that did not also take a stab at evolution?

Most of what I read that is supposed to support ID are "facts" that show evolution is wrong, therefore ID is the only thing left that can explain things.

Ranb

Not ID. Pure creationist. Didin't imediately pick up any pro creation arguments. but those were probably in the video I was not prepared to watch.

 

[geni]

There are some *very* cool museums in the UK - I *really* want to go back there.

I doubt I will visit that museum though...

Well from the entrance to the museum you can see this which was under construction when darwin was finaliseing and publishing On the Origin of Species.

 

[Tricky]

The Witchcraft Museum in Cornwall (Bocastle, to be more specific) was, in contrast, well done and fairly interesting. I don't think they took themselves quite so seriously.

 

[LilaMae]

In this diorama they were trying to make an argument that the differences on the protien level between species were not what evolution would predict. It mostly caught my attention because the best model they could think of to illustraight is was a mouse and a mousetrap.

Is that a cock in your diorama, or are you just.....ok nevermind.

 

[kitakaze]

I just sent the following email to the Genesis Expo and the Creation Science Movement of the UK...

"Your Genesis Expo museum in Portsmouth has various notices with claims like no proto-reptile has ever been found and some stuff about no intermediate steps between scales and feathers.

This is unfortunately unfounded misinformation. Feathers began as a fine, downy insulation on warm-blooded theropods with a central stalk and simple branching structure. They started simply as integumentary tubes of keratinous skin. The idea that feathers developed ready for flight from elongated scales has been compltetly disproven.

Your Genesis Expo completely ignores species like Deinonychus, Sinosauropteryx, Protoarchaeopteryx, Caudipteryx, Microraptor, and the entire clade of coelurosaurian dinosaurs Maniraptora. It basically tells the exact opposite of the truth. Christianity is a wonderful religion. It doesn't need to rely on denial of science and misinformation to gain support.

I suppose it is unreasonable to expect a museum devoted to Creationism to acknowledge the truth as shown by modern fossil finds and paleontological investigation but something really should be done about false claims of no intermediary forms existing. The ones I listed above are just some of the many.

Here is the URL address to an excellent program detailing the latest information and facts of avian evolution:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFKnY_YCu2s&feature=PlayList&p=F1911964F1ECA3D8&index=8

Kind regards."

Here is the contact for the museum:

https://www.csm.org.uk/contactus.php

Let's send them some respectful complaints regarding their misinformation.

 

[kitakaze]

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Is that a cock in your diorama, or are you just.....ok nevermind.

Why yes, it is a cock in my diorama and yes, he's happy to see you. Someone may have told you he's a little dinosaur but don't you believe a word of it. He won't bite and he's very soft. By all means, please go ahead and touch him.

 

[geni]

Okey to I happened to be in the area again and I've got an odd sense of humor. The sign next to their enterace advertises their appearence in the new scientist. Not sure what that says.

 

[geni]

Okey this pic shows the general layout. Its three coridoors like this in well an S shape. The theme appears to be "dark and narrow".

 

[geni]

The first diorama again. This time head on so you can read the labels.

 

[geni]

They have a 20ft Dinosaur model. Probably because trying to tell kids that dinosaurs didn't exist is a great way to ensure that creationism dies out after one generation. This photo only covers part of it but you are not missing much.

 

[mazyloron]

Well one of their quotes comes from 1994 so must date from after that.


This is the caption for the display with the RAM chips and DNA double helix in:

What, exactly, is a "megachip"?

I know what the sticks of RAM are in the picture this caption goes with, and I know what a megabyte is. But, what is a "megachip"? I've not heard that term before.

Or, are they just making stuff up and misusing words they don't understand in order to prove their pre-determined conclusion? Because, you know, that would be awfully unexpected from a bunch of creationists.

 

[geni]

Okey this diorama is trying to argue that 1) sometimes large amounts of sediment gets laid down quickly (true) and 2) it always happens that way( not so much). That said it's still probably one of their better displays.

 

[geni]

The second corridor. Slightly lighter but still not very. They crank up the volume a bit here so as you walk along you can hear this wierd french voice calling evolution a fairly tail for grownups. Irony meters may vapourise at this point so be careful.

 

[geni]

Okey this diorama was trying to attack our current models of abiogensis. They go after the Miller-Urey experiment but I thought that had already been largely abandoned.