Brexit: Now What? Part IV

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Garrison said:
The latest plan for Brexit? Delay Brexit still further:

I suspect Theresa May's actual plan is to retire after the next election should she win and leave the mess to her successor.
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Not sure - I think we're getting close to the point of "look how they rejected our reasonable offers"


The EU has accused the British government of “chasing a fantasy” and warned that it will not negotiate under threat, after a fraught week of Brexit talks in Brussels that have raised serious concerns about the future of the negotiations.
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/may/24/uk-chasing-a-fantasy-in-brexit-talks-top-eu-official-warns
 
Garrison said:
The latest plan for Brexit? Delay Brexit still further:

Full Brexit to take seven years as Theresa May seeks extra transition period

I suspect Theresa May's actual plan is to retire after the next election should she win and leave the mess to her successor.
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[CT hat on] She's a political genius, saw that the whole business was a colossal disaster, and cunningly planned ... planned to spin it out so long that everybody would see what a disaster it was, and would - despite everything - agree to a referendum to reverse the stupidity. [/CT hat on]

No. Not that. Desperation. *sad*
 
Apologies if this has already been posted.

Former Permanent Representative to the EU, Sir Ivan Rogers delivered a lecture on post-Brexit challenges the other night. Transcript here: https://policyscotland.gla.ac.uk/blog-sir-ivan-rogers-speech-text-in-full/

Long story short, both sides are criticised for having unrealistic expectations, "delusional" is the operative word.
 
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The Don said:
That's not the technology for the "invisible" borders, that's just scaling up the existing rules and technology to the new levels of demand. Apples and Oranges.

As someone who has been intimately involved with several large-scale government projects, I'd take that traffic light with a huge pinch of salt too. *Something* may be delivered on time, but whether it's fit for purpose is a different matter.
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"The project was delivered on time and under budget. We may have spent the last month revising the list of deliverables, and cutting it by 60%, but we've delivered all of those on the revises list."

The Don said:
“an amber/green rating” - is project-speak for utterly-****** but we're not brave enough to admit it yet.
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Yeah.
 
I almost fell from my chair while reading this:

Mr Johnson claimed he was the first British foreign secretary in 50 years to visit Peru and the first in 25 years to go to Chile and Argentina, suggesting this was because being a member of the EU had made the UK “more Eurocentric and less instinctively global than we had been”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...le-market-jeremy-corbyn-theresa-a8372491.html
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I still remember the unanimous vote of the European Council and Parliament that forced the UK to go on war against Argentina. Facing such a strong constrain Maggie had no choice but declaring war to Argentina against her will...
 
catsmate said:
The amount they'd need to pay in bribes to avoid vetoes...
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....would come out of the £350m per week ;)

Of course if we re-joined the EU they's be so glad to have us back that not only would we get our old rebates and exemptions but we'd get a whole new set :p
 
Of course he would campaign against rejoining. There is no story here: Mogg was just answering stupid questions from journalists and opponents honestly. As we've voted to leave, of course we should leave. If, in the future, we vote to rejoin (assuming the EU would allow it) then we would rejoin.

This is no different than saying when party X wins an election it forms the government, but this doesn't mean that party X will remain in government for ever after.
 
ceptimus said:
Of course he would campaign against rejoining. There is no story here: Mogg was just answering stupid questions from journalists and opponents honestly. As we've voted to leave, of course we should leave. If, in the future, we vote to rejoin (assuming the EU would allow it) then we would rejoin.

This is no different than saying when party X wins an election it forms the government, but this doesn't mean that party X will remain in government for ever after.
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When do you think a vote to rejoin should take place?
 
Degeneve said:
I still remember the unanimous vote of the European Council and Parliament that forced the UK to go on war against Argentina. Facing such a strong constrain Maggie had no choice but declaring war to Argentina against her will...
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Yes I'm sure Argentina will happily sign a trade deal with us and won't raise any awkward issues at all, about the same time Johnson gets a flying pig instead of a personal jet.
 
The Don said:
....would come out of the £350m per week ;)

Of course if we re-joined the EU they's be so glad to have us back that not only would we get our old rebates and exemptions but we'd get a whole new set :p
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Like an exemption from using the pound.
 
uke2se said:
When do you think a vote to rejoin should take place?
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I'd say around 2023. Allow five years for the UK economy to tank, Scotland to secede, Wales and NI to not-quite secede and the unemployment and civil unrest to simmer. The lack of medical services, increases in food prices and and pollution should help kill off the older generation and the Imperial Delusion.
 
I've been reading through all the documents from the likes of HMRC informing me of the new procedures and responsibilities for continuing to trade with countries in the EU, import and export restrictions and the likes. .....

Oh hold on that was a dream! Of course despite less than a year to go we don't have a clue yet what will be changing etc
 
Darat said:
I've been reading through all the documents from the likes of HMRC informing me of the new procedures and responsibilities for continuing to trade with countries in the EU, import and export restrictions and the likes. .....

Oh hold on that was a dream! Of course despite less than a year to go we don't have a clue yet what will be changing etc
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You need to change your reading matter if that's the type of dreams you're experiencing...
 
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