Brexit: Now What? Part IV

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Got it. Anything bad that happened before the referendum was due to worries about Brexit. Anything bad that's happened since the referendum is due to Brexit. Anything good that's happened before or after the referendum is 'despite Brexit.'
 
ceptimus said:
Got it. Anything bad that happened before the referendum was due to worries about Brexit. Anything bad that's happened since the referendum is due to Brexit. Anything good that's happened before or after the referendum is 'despite Brexit.'
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Nope. If reason can be shown that the good thing is because of Brexit (for example a great new trade deal or a large company choosing to locate to the UK because of the opportunities offered then that's because, not despite). I'm not aware of too many of these yet.
 
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Yeah, a few days ago Emily Thornberry said that they would like to be in a similar customs union to the one we have now

http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/iain-dale/emily-thornberry-labour-customs-union-brexit

More detail expected in a Corbyn speech tomorrow.
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And it seems to be official:

Labour wants new customs union treaty after Brexit - Starmer

The article includes a couple of quotes from the text of the speech Corbyn is due to deliver:

In his speech on Monday, Mr Corbyn will say the EU "is not the root of all our problems and leaving it will not solve all our problems".
"The truth is more down to earth and it's in our hands. Brexit is what we make of it together, the priorities and choices we make in the negotiations."
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In a breathtaking bit of cheek Liam Fox has responded:

But Liam Fox said Labour's position did not make sense.
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As opposed to the government position which makes perfect sense, if keeping Theresa May in Number 10 is your highest priority. :boggled:
 
My bet is that it spells the end for May, though for some reason my online bookie has limited the stake to €5 at 5-1 that she quits in the 2nd quarter of this year.
 
ceptimus said:
World standards are the way forward. Much better than parochial standards.
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Just so long as those world standards come from the UK huh? You wouldn't want world standards coming from some large economic bloc from continental Europe would you?
 
Wildy said:
Just so long as those world standards come from the UK huh? You wouldn't want world standards coming from some large economic bloc from continental Europe would you?
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Doesn't matter to me where the standards come from as long as they have worldwide adoption. The SI system was mostly the invention of the French and it's the best worldwide system we have.
 
Wildy said:
Just so long as those world standards come from the UK huh? You wouldn't want world standards coming from some large economic bloc from continental Europe would you?
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But they don't.

European standards bodies (like European patents) are =/= EU.

eg Electrical standards

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Committee_for_Electrotechnical_Standardization

Members
The current members of CENELEC are: Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, the Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Macedonia, Malta, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Spain, Slovakia, Slovenia, Sweden, Switzerland, Turkey and the United Kingdom.
Affiliate members
Albania, Belarus, Bosnia/Herzegovina, Egypt, Georgia, Israel, Jordan, Libya, Moldova, Montenegro, Morocco, Serbia, Tunisia and Ukraine are currently "affiliate members" with a view to becoming full members.
Other[edit]
CENELEC has cooperation agreements with: Canada, China, Japan. South Korea, Russia and informal agreement with the USA.[
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Amazer said:
Even if it was coming from the EU.... I fail to see how leaving the EU would help create/furthering the implementation of global standards.
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It's obvious, isn't it?

Once the U.K. is unshackled from the tyranny of the E.U. she will be free to develop her own standards which will be so patently, self-evidently superior that all the rest of the countries in the world, including those members of the E.U., will immediately adopt them as their own.

Sheesh. Anyone could see that.

It will probably start with building materials fire safety standards. A lot of progress has already been shown there.
 
George Osbourne puts the boot in

https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/...have-handed-labour-an-open-goal-a3775721.html

But the warnings were ignored and the Conservative leadership instead chose to appease the hardcore Brexiteers, obsessed with the ideological purity of their experiment and — in some cases — openly willing to lose an election, if that’s the price of pursuing it.

Careful what you wish for
None of the arguments advanced by Brexiteer leaders this morning stack up.

They say we forgo the distant prospect of our own trade deals; yet the decision to align “voluntarily” with EU product rules renders impossible the prospect of deals radically different from the ones the Europeans themselves would do.

They say Labour is betraying its core supporters, as if the voters of Port Talbot voted Brexit because they want a more ambitious free-trade deal with China.

They say the poorest will lose out, when the economic analysis commissioned by Brexit ministers revealed the poorest parts of the country will be hit hardest if we leave a customs union.

They say Mr Corbyn is abandoning his manifesto commitment, when the Tories have abandoned their entire manifesto (how’s the work on that social care policy coming along?).

They say “tariff-free trade” with Europe is a U-turn, when that was exactly what Theresa May used to promise.

Now the Tory Brexiteers threaten the so-called “rebels” trying to save their party from further economic mistakes, with a motion of confidence in the leadership if they don’t fall into line.

That’s a bit rich from people who spent a lifetime rebelling — and they forget that under the new rules, losing a confidence motion doesn’t trigger a general election. They should be careful what they wish for.

At the Lancaster House speech a year ago, the option of membership of a customs union was kept open by the Prime Minister. Last week it was formally closed.

The result is an open goal for Labour — and surprise, surprise, they just kicked the ball into the back of it.
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The Brexiteers cheerfully promised the voters trading terms with the EU as good as or better than the ones we have as members during the referendum, now they claim the leave voters wanted a hard Brexit and anything less is a 'betrayal'.
 
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