Yeah it's barely a down payment and its on top of £1 billion for the DUP and £40 Billion just to get to the point where the EU will talk about trade. I still remember when there wasn't a magic money tree to help with student debt and the NHS...
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Yeah it's barely a down payment and its on top of £1 billion for the DUP and £40 Billion just to get to the point where the EU will talk about trade. I still remember when there wasn't a magic money tree to help with student debt and the NHS...
Ah, but then the Leavers will simply say that it's because the horrible foreigners were being horribly foreign and the Remainers didn't work hard enough on Leave
It appears that the EU 27 aren't in the mood to make arbitrary concessions, at least over Gibraltar. The Guardian.
Gibraltar is heading for an abrupt exit from the single market without the benefit of any transition deal, according to senior Spanish government sources, who revealed that the British government had failed to offer any proposals on the future of the Rock.
Does this bode ill for the DUP in loyal Ulster? Will the U.K. be required to make "proposals" - agreeable to Dublin - on the future of NI, on pain of the abrupt installation of a hard border between NI and RoI?We try not to talk about politics too much down the pub but over the last couple of evenings Brexit has raised its ugly head a few times. The clientele is pretty mixed with farm labourers rubbing shoulders with directors of FTSE listed companies. Most however, regardless of background or profession, lean right and Eurosceptic (and their views informed the statement that adorns MikeG's sig.).
The consensus is that Brexit to date has been a bit of a shambles, for which the EU is mostly to blame, but that the EU is going to cave in any day now because "they need us more than we need them".
I fear that a lot of people feel this way because they are poorly informed, underestimate the complexity of Brexit and overestimate Britain's importance in the world.
I have had this opinion for some time: The British Empire came to an end in the later part of the twentieth Century. In response to this loss the U.K. joined the EEC - EU, but that was never an easy relationship. The reason is that the Empire had ended physically but - in England at least - it still shaped people's image of their country's role in the world.
The Brexit crisis will bring about the belated end of the psychological Empire, some decades after its physical demise.
You're optimistic aren't you?
I suppose I am a bit.
Farm labourers maybe, but are directors of FTSE listed companies poorly informed ?
I also fear that there is an equivalent view on the other side of the table that "the UK will come to their senses any day now and back down...".
Getting to any agreement in December looks unlikely.
I think that the EU negotiating team may have started out with that opinion, or less pejoratively that the UK will start to move towards the EU stance. I think that if this is the case then they have not understood the British character but should now be rapidly coming to the conclusion that "better no deal than a bad (from the standpoint of Leavers) deal" isn't a negotiating tactic but an honestly and deeply held view.
From their perspective, the destruction of the post-crash UK economic recovery really is a price worth paying in order to get control of our borders and recover our lost sovereignty even if the loss of, and reclaiming of, both of those things are largely illusory.
Yes, some of them are, outside of their specific area of expertise. This one (the pub is hardly teeming with senior execs) seems to have a very rosy view of Brexit and doesn't really seem to understand the complexities of, say, being outside the customs union.
If you've read the Daily Telegraph, and only the Telegraph, for every day of your adult life then IMO you are poorly informed (likewise if you read the Grauniad and only the Grauniad you'd be similarly poorly informed IMO).
And those dastardly EUites have now said if we aren't in the club we can't be their city of culture in 2023, who'd have thought?
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It's almost as if being a member of the EU was a prerequisite for membership privileges. How very odd.
My home town was one of the candidates.
Of course this pales besides the seemingly endless abysmal economic news that we've seen in the last couple of days. Sure the endless uncertainty over Brexit may not be to blame for all of it , but at the very least its pouring petrol on the fire.
Not even that, just being a member of the EEA is enough, or in the process of applying to become a member (as in the case of Turkey, although that train has long since stalled in the Anatolyan highlands).
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You get few benefits (free trade and like) and that's it. You have no say in how things are run and you also pay heavily for it.
From my newsfeed... the Express has its own take on Brexit
http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/dail...t-UK-city-EU-European-Union-Dundee-Nottingham
The EU is being vindictive...
I don't know, you spend 40 years slagging off an institution and when you give them an excuse to avoid rewarding you, they take it.
http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/dail...t-UK-city-EU-European-Union-Dundee-Nottingham
The EU is being vindictive...
I don't know, you spend 40 years slagging off an institution and when you give them an excuse to avoid rewarding you, they take it.
I also "appreciate" how the Express sometimes manages to get its headline to imply something different to the words in the story, which is good for what people remember.
This example, where the quote looks to be being applied to the wrong person.
https://www.google.com/search?q=spe...nt+express&client=ms-opera-mobile&channel=new
'Tell the truth!' Speaker stuns Labour MP during ferocious anti-Brexit Commons rant
This example, where the quote looks to be being applied to the wrong person.
https://www.google.com/search?q=spe...nt+express&client=ms-opera-mobile&channel=new
'Tell the truth!' Speaker stuns Labour MP during ferocious anti-Brexit Commons rant
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