Brexit: Now What? Part III

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ohms said:
The Tories quietly dropped that idea earlier this year on the basis that it would be a distraction from Brexit negotiations. Their manifesto stated that they would remain signatories of the Convention for the next Parliament.
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So 'til Xmas then?
 
ohms said:
The Tories quietly dropped that idea earlier this year on the basis that it would be a distraction from Brexit negotiations. Their manifesto stated that they would remain signatories of the Convention for the next Parliament.
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And then shortly after started making noises about doing away with human rights that stopped them dealing with terrorists. So there are at best mixed messages.
 
Archie Gemmill Goal said:
And then shortly after started making noises about doing away with human rights that stopped them dealing with terrorists. So there are at best mixed messages.
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I believe that the ECHR is referenced in both the Good Friday Agreement and Scotland Act so renegotiating those and a UK withdrawal from the convention would not be a trivial task. It's just noise from the usual suspects.
 
ohms said:
I believe that the ECHR is referenced in both the Good Friday Agreement and Scotland Act so renegotiating those and a UK withdrawal from the convention would not be a trivial task. It's just noise from the usual suspects.
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Do you honestly think the Tories would be troubled by such details from the provinces? If they want to do it, they will do it.
 
MikeG said:
I don't understand your point, JB. What is the downside?

There is certainly an upside that I am interested in, and that is the large number of barriers, tariff and non-tariff, to trade with Africa. Trade, not aid, and all that. I would love to see the UK sign a trade deal with the AU, or with the various regional trading blocs (SADeC, ECOWAS etc). I've lobbied for the EU to do such deals for 15 years or more now, and been disappointed but not surprised that nothing much seems to change.
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Well, for starters, you don't even have the negotiators to negotiate Brexit, but had to import them from NZ. How do think to start (re)negotiating 600 treaties, let alone new ones?
 
ddt said:
Well, for starters, you don't even have the negotiators to negotiate Brexit, but had to import them from NZ. How do think to start (re)negotiating 600 treaties, let alone new ones?
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How many? Where have you got this from? That's approx. 3 for every country on the planet.
 
MikeG said:
How many? Where have you got this from? That's approx. 3 for every country on the planet.
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Well, if you take "treaties" to mean treaties, agreements, protocols, etc then I could see it. Consider many closely-linked countries might have several outright treaties on different issues such as trade/economy, security cooperation, international aid, etc.

It's possible that many countries will quickly adopt a more or less boiler-plate agreement with the UK, but it will take some time to iron out details with some states that feel they are in an advantageous position (more likely now with a weak coalition and/or minority government).

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Speaking of xenophobia, what do peeps think about May's plan to allow EU-immigrants to stay in the UK as British if they arrived pre-June 2014?

She wants a reciprocal deal with the 26 EU countries with British ex-pats.

Problem I can see is that Finland for one, has a seven-year nationality rule, which includes being able to speak the language, a hurdle many Brits in Finland find impossible to clear.

How does that assauge the xenophobic intentions of the 'Leave' voters who want the East Europeans, in particular, out?
 
Vixen said:
.......How does that assauge the xenophobic intentions of the 'Leave' voters who want the East Europeans, in particular, out?
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It doesn't have to. And I hope you weren't falling into the trap of suggesting that everyone who voted leave was/ is xenophobic.
 
MikeG said:
It doesn't have to. And I hope you weren't falling into the trap of suggesting that everyone who voted leave was/ is xenophobic.
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No, but trends show - according to BBC programmes - that towns with large East European (Polish/Latvian/Bulgarian/Romanian) populations had the most vehement leavers.
 
MikeG said:
It doesn't have to. And I hope you weren't falling into the trap of suggesting that everyone who voted leave was/ is xenophobic.
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I don't think it's a "trap" to say that a lot of leavers voted leave for xenophobic reasons. I'd say that's a fairly accurate reading of the situation. Not all, mind you, but a lot.
 
MikeG said:
It doesn't have to. And I hope you weren't falling into the trap of suggesting that everyone who voted leave was/ is xenophobic.
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"Everyone"? Including for example the Trotskyites who voted against the EU because it is capitalist? Nobody is saying "everyone"; what is being said is that of the motives that produced votes for Brexit, xenophobia - as in opposition to free movement of people - was the single most influential issue, not that all Brexiteers are fascists. That would be a straw man.
 
Craig B said:
"Everyone"?....
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Well, that's what I inferred from the sentence I was responding to:

Vixen said:
......How does that assauge the xenophobic intentions of the 'Leave' voters who want the East Europeans, in particular, out?
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That may just have been me misunderstanding a poorly written sentence, which is why I asked the question.

However, it most certainly has been said earlier in this thread. I no longer have access to that poster's work.
 
I wouldn't interpret "the 'Leave' voters who want the East Europeans, in particular, out" as meaning the writer thinks all 'Leave' voters fit that description. I would assume they were referring to the subset of 'Leave' voters who do fit it.
 
Vixen said:
Problem I can see is that Finland for one, has a seven-year nationality rule, which includes being able to speak the language, a hurdle many Brits in Finland find impossible to clear.
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Residence rights (which is what is being offered) are not the same as naturalisation rules.
 
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