Brexit: Now What? Part III

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Degeneve said:
Why should Belgium be part of France and not, let's say, of Germany? Could it not be part of a country made of the Netherlands, Belgium and Luxembourg, as it was from 1815 to 1830?
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I just picked a large nearby country. Would your answer be different if it was Germany?

Being in a union with Netherlands wouldn't really work as an example because you wouldn't have the same disparity of scale.

Had Scotland been in a union with wales Ireland and Norway say it might have been a very different beast to the Union we are currently saddled with and more of a partnership of equals.
 
Just met a real live brexiteer who is convinced we will be doing great and all the rest of the eu will be wishing they were us in a couple of years. Not sure where you even start with that level of delusion
 
Archie Gemmill Goal said:
Still not following the logic. Do you think, to example Canada would be more inventive if it were a state of the USA rather than an independent country?

Would Belgium benefit from being part of France?
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Exactly the opposite, Scotland is not part of England, it is part of a union lasting hundreds of years.
The union between Belgium and France is relatively new allowing free movement etc. - something which Britain has benefited from far longer.
 
Strawberry said:
It seems to be shared by the Prime Minister...

https://mobile.twitter.com/jeremycliffe/status/858810953353367552
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We read:
"Cliffe's analysis (third paragraph from the end) implies that May has made a terrible mistake. She has put hardline Brexiteers in charge of negotiating the UK's exit from the EU and its new trade relationships after Brexit. They appear to be systematically deceiving her. As a result, she is not in possession of the true facts.

Presumably these wrecking tactics are intended to further the Brexiteers' real aim of a no-deal exit from the EU - the so-called 'clean Brexit'. But the cost of such an exit for the UK would be terrible. Such behaviour from the Brexiteers is unbelievably irresponsible. And it undermines May's own credibility, just as she is seeking a new mandate from the British people to strengthen her hand in the negotiations."

This is beyond funny, and just scary.
 
Aepervius said:
This is insane. Pretty much the only hope for UK now seem to have the EU implode , otherwise UK get screwed economically.
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If the EU implodes, the UK will not escape the economic meltdown which results. There's no way out for the UK other than to get sense and tell the hardline Brexiters to pipe down while they negotiate the best deal possible.
 
Aepervius said:
This is insane. Pretty much the only hope for UK now seem to have the EU implode , otherwise UK get screwed economically.
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Analysis en par with most Brexit 'plans', I'm afraid. Thr only thing an implosion of EU would do is make UK seem not as bad as the continent.

It would be quite horrible, I assure you. Worse than a diamon-hard Brexit against a vegenful Brussels by an order of magnitude, easy.

McHrozni
 
Archie Gemmill Goal said:
Just met a real live brexiteer who is convinced we will be doing great and all the rest of the eu will be wishing they were us in a couple of years. Not sure where you even start with that level of delusion
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Ask him what will it be that UK will start exporting to India in amounts that will exceede the current exports to EU. Ask for specifics, how will UK sell carbon monoxyde detectors and insurance deals to Indians in excess of what is currently selling in EU?

It won't work, but it is a start.

McHrozni
 
McHrozni said:
Ask him what will it be that UK will start exporting to India in amounts that will exceede the current exports to EU. Ask for specifics, how will UK sell carbon monoxyde detectors and insurance deals to Indians in excess of what is currently selling in EU?

It won't work, but it is a start.

McHrozni
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The thing that I still don't understand is how leaving the EU will suddenly result in UK exports soaring when:

  • Some of our EU colleagues are outperforming us in non-EU exports - so it's not an issue with EU membership
  • UK non-EU exports are growing faster than UK EU exports - so it's not even an issue with the UK being in the EU
 
Aepervius said:
This is insane. Pretty much the only hope for UK now seem to have the EU implode , otherwise UK get screwed economically.
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Nope, the only hope is that the EU survives and that the British (quite probably English) public eventually has a massive backlash against the knaves who led them down the disastrous path and begs to rejoin as good Europeans this time, and the EU realises that both the UK and Europe would benefit (though it would be less important for the EU).
 
The Don said:
The thing that I still don't understand is how leaving the EU will suddenly result in UK exports soaring when:

  • Some of our EU colleagues are outperforming us in non-EU exports - so it's not an issue with EU membership
  • UK non-EU exports are growing faster than UK EU exports - so it's not even an issue with the UK being in the EU
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Because trade deals. Or something. Christ knows.

I think Brexiteers genuinely think we aren't allowed to trade with non EU countries or something.

Of course we will sign some trade deals a great hooha will be made of them. But whether they result in a great boom in trade remains to be seen. No doubt there will be some benefits in some areas.
 
Archie Gemmill Goal said:
Of course we will sign some trade deals a great hooha will be made of them. But whether they result in a great boom in trade remains to be seen. No doubt there will be some benefits in some areas.
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If it were to result in a boom in trade then it would require a fundamental reworking of the UK economy. The UK economy is a first world economy which focuses primarily on the services sector. Our major export markets are in the developed world and we export first world goods and services to them.

We'd need to re-jig our economy to provide the goods and services that the developing world needs, and more importantly, can afford. Unless we start paying third world wages then I cannot see how that can happen.
 
jimbob said:
Nope, the only hope is that the EU survives and that the British (quite probably English) public eventually has a massive backlash against the knaves who led them down the disastrous path and begs to rejoin as good Europeans this time, and the EU realises that both the UK and Europe would benefit (though it would be less important for the EU).
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IMO - will never happen. The worse Brexit is, the more resolute the British (English) will become in our terrible decision.
 
The Don said:
IMO - will never happen. The worse Brexit is, the more resolute the British (English) will become in our terrible decision.
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Maybe in the medium term. I suspect that in longer term, the little Englanders will be defeated. It may take a generation however.

McHrozni
 
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