Brexit: Now What? Part III

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

Only, to be fair, if one is a *********** idiot.

Well the country seems to be about 52% those right now.

 

[Aepervius]

Wasn't there a study showing people when offered to gamble a win, they were not prepared to and took a sure positive result, but if it was a loss, they were prepared to gamble.

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

Wasn't there a study showing people when offered to gamble a win, they were not prepared to and took a sure positive result, but if it was a loss, they were prepared to gamble.

Yeah there's lot of those kind of studies and I'm sure it does have an effect. People don't see things like 'economic downturn' as a real thing until the impacts hit home and they see what it means for them.

Then they are up in arms.

 

[3point14]

Yeah there's lot of those kind of studies and I'm sure it does have an effect. People don't see things like 'economic downturn' as a real thing until the impacts hit home and they see what it means for them.

Then they are up in arms.

And then we will ask, "How did you vote?"

 

[The Don]

And then we will ask, "How did you vote?"

...and no doubt horrible foreigners will be blamed for punishing plucky Britain for daring to vote Brexit

 

[3point14]

...and no doubt horrible foreigners will be blamed for punishing plucky Britain for daring to vote Brexit

And at that point I will probably climb on my high horse and deliver a lecture to the poor, under-informed, *********** idiot voter.

 

[The Don]

And at that point I will probably climb on my high horse and deliver a lecture to the poor, under-informed, *********** idiot voter.

...which may be cathartic for you but I doubt whether it would do anything other than harden their position that Brexit was the right choice and would have been a resounding success were it not for those horrid foreigners.

 

[3point14]

...which may be cathartic for you but I doubt whether it would do anything other than harden their position that Brexit was the right choice and would have been a resounding success were it not for those horrid foreigners.

Actually, increasingly becoming the case that that's not the answer I get.

It's getting harder to actually find anyone that will admit they voted to leave and even harder to find one that still thinks it's a good idea.

Those that voted leave that I know are mostly very hacked off that they were lied to these days.

 

[McHrozni]

Actually, increasingly becoming the case that that's not the answer I get.

It's getting harder to actually find anyone that will admit they voted to leave and even harder to find one that still thinks it's a good idea.

Those that voted leave that I know are mostly very hacked off that they were lied to these days.

This could be more an indication of where you live than an accurate representation of British sentiments.

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/01/18/public-back-brexit-plan-think-eu-will-nix-it/

A majority of people supported Britain leaving the single market (57%) and the customs union (56%), but there was a contrast in opinion between Leave and Remain voters. A vast majority of Leave voters approved of both, Remain voters were opposed to leaving the single market and evenly split over the customs union.

McHrozni

 

[McHrozni]

...and no doubt horrible foreigners will be blamed for punishing plucky Britain for daring to vote Brexit

UK is suffering from not being defeated in a major war in some 300 years. It's funny how these things turn out as time goes by.

McHrozni

 

[3point14]

This could be more an indication of where you live than an accurate representation of British sentiments.

Oh, almost without doubt, yes.

 

[Darat]

It was not the initial cause but we were told by the Tories that we would be able to plan for growth in this parliament and that the years of austerity had worked. However due to Brexit we are spending not on growth but on Brexit and standing still.

Indeed for some reason despite even more austerity we aren't going to be paying down the deficit in this Parliament..... If Brexit has little or positive effect wouldn't we still be able to pay it down? It is almost as if the government doesn't believe we will be getting great deals with our trading partners...

 

[Darat]

Yeah there's lot of those kind of studies and I'm sure it does have an effect. People don't see things like 'economic downturn' as a real thing until the impacts hit home and they see what it means for them.

Then they are up in arms.

Even then it would appear. For instance anyone in the UK who is using one of the NHSs knows how bad things have become, but the narrative is that it isn't to do with cuts but inefficiency, greedy doctors and so on.

We need politicians with the guts to say it needs more money and we may have to raise taxes to fund it and be great communicators to get that past the mainstream press filters.

 

[Rolfe]

To be honest, I can't praise NHS Scotland highly enough, and I know a lot of other people who say the same. The press seem to like publishing "isn't it awful" stories but a lot of them seem contrived.

On Monday I telephoned my GP surgery at about 8.45 to ask either to speak to a doctor or for an appointment, as I'd been sick with a chest infection for a week and still wasn't better so even if no further treatment was needed I needed a certificate for work anyway. The receptionist said she would ask a nurse to call me back. Within half an hour that duly happened.

The nurse took details of my condition and said, I can put you down to see Dr Mulube at 10.30. That's 10.30 am the same day. Less than two hours after my original call. For a condition that wasn't especially urgent, on a Monday morning, and I'd have been quite prepared to accept a Tuesday appointment if necessary. I kept the appointment and the waiting room was pretty much empty. I was seen on time, Tara (Mulube) seemed to have plenty of time to examine me and talk to me (indeed she always does), and sent me away with both the certificate I needed to stay off for the rest of the week and a prescription for amoxycillin to be filled if I felt my condition was deteriorating.

I talk to a lot of people with similar accounts, some of them quite seriously angry about the way the media (especially Eleanor Bradford, BBC Scotland's health correspondent) talk down the NHS. And I'm not just talking about minor GP ailments, I'm also talking about people with fairly major issues involving hospital treatment.

I should add that my experience of NHS England was similar when I lived there (except I had to pay for the prescriptions), but as I've not lived there for more than ten years I accept things may be different now.

 

[ohms]

Even then it would appear. For instance anyone in the UK who is using one of the NHSs knows how bad things have become, but the narrative is that it isn't to do with cuts but inefficiency, greedy doctors and so on.

We need politicians with the guts to say it needs more money and we may have to raise taxes to fund it and be great communicators to get that past the mainstream press filters.

We are seeing a similar situation in our schools now too, at least in England. They simply need more money but no Tory politician is going to admit it.

 

[The Don]

Could this be the nail in the Brexit coffin ?

Chocolate prices could rise if the UK does not secure a trade deal post-Brexit, according to Mars' top boss.

Fiona Dawson, global president for Mars, said the absence of a deal with EU member states would see tariffs of up to 30% for the industry.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39228249

Oh noes !!!!1!!!!!!!1!11!

Interestingly.....

Companies in the automotive and the financial sector have been the focus since the vote, according to Ms Dawson.

But with food and drink the largest manufacturing sector in the UK, accounting for 16% of turnover, she said she wanted a new focus, and called for EU leaders to look at the bigger picture when negotiating.

Of course the service industry is 5 times the size of the manufacturing sector I'd like to see focus on that please....

 

[dudalb]

Of course if Le Pen wins this whole discussion become academic. The EU is dead if that happens.

 

[Arcade22]

Britain doesn't need Europe when it has the commonwealth:

Britain would harmonise regulations with its former colonies rather than the European Union under new proposals for trade integration that critics have dubbed Empire 2.0.

At a meeting in London given fresh impetus by Brexit, Commonwealth trade ministers agreed to deepen economic ties on Friday by seeking some of the same standardisation that once frustrated eurosceptics in Brussels.

“Because we share common law, common language, common institutions and common parliamentary structures, that has given us a de facto advantage,” said Commonwealth secretary general Patricia Scotland at the end of the two-day summit.

“That ... advantage is something which we as a Commonwealth are absolutely determined to exploit and to grow, and at this meeting today we were able to have a comprehensive opportunity to consider how in practice we do that.”

...

In private, however, many British officials are despairing of the new-found political obsession with the Commonwealth, warning that its mostly small, far-flung and underdeveloped markets are little substitute for lost access to the EU single market.

https://www.theguardian.com/global-...ks-with-closer-ties-to-commonwealth-economies

Don't worry Britishers! The commonwealth will surely replace the EU as the new hip trade bloc for all of your export and import needs. The empire never ended and Great Britain will truly become great again!

 

[The Don]

Britain doesn't need Europe when it has the commonwealth:



https://www.theguardian.com/global-...ks-with-closer-ties-to-commonwealth-economies

Don't worry Britishers! The commonwealth will surely replace the EU as the new hip trade bloc for all of your export and import needs. The empire never ended and Great Britain will truly become great again!

I'd love to see examples of where being an EU member so badly hamstrung us in the past preventing us from dealing with the Commonwealth.

OTOH if I was the trade minister of a Commonwealth country I'd be rubbing my hands at the prospect of a once-in-a-lifetime trade deal with the "mother country" who need a superficially attractive deal in a hurry

edited to add...

and then the cold shower of reality from the linked Grauniad article

In private, however, many British officials are despairing of the new-found political obsession with the Commonwealth, warning that its mostly small, far-flung and underdeveloped markets are little substitute for lost access to the EU single market.

 

[Aepervius]

Not only that but also some member (India) already are predicating it with a more easy visa/high numbers.