Brexit: Now What? Part III

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I was on my seat of ease this morning leafing through the latest issue of Guitarist magazine and yet another example of how the EU makes it easier for companies and consumers in the UK.

The trade in rosewood (formerly a popular material in guitar construction, especially fingerboards) is covered by CITES (Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora) and the administration around it is complex and expensive (adding more than £70 to the price of a guitar). The E.U. is covered as a block which means intra-E.U. trade requires no more admin on the grounds that any rosewood in the E.U. must have got there legitimately (and anything that looks like rosewood and isn't has been validated as such). No more paperwork is required.

So whether you're an individual luthier, a UK based guitar manufacturing company or even an eBay seller, as long as you're selling in the E.U. you're fine (as opposed to goods from outside the E.U., German customs has seized hundreds of suspect guitars without adequate paperwork including personal eBay sales). If Brexit doesn't include provisions for this kind of thing then a lot of people will have a lot more grief post-Brexit than they do now.

I presume it's not just guitars, any fine carpentry will have the same issues and could force those businesses out of the UK if they do a lot of business with the E.U.

IMO this illustrates the complexity and breadth of the issues we face post-Brexit and highlights how ridiculous the claims were that we'd have everything wrapped up in 2 years.
 
The Don said:
I was on my seat of ease this morning leafing through the latest issue of Guitarist magazine and yet another example of how the EU makes it easier for companies and consumers in the UK.

The trade in rosewood (formerly a popular material in guitar construction, especially fingerboards) is covered by CITES (Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora) and the administration around it is complex and expensive (adding more than £70 to the price of a guitar). The E.U. is covered as a block which means intra-E.U. trade requires no more admin on the grounds that any rosewood in the E.U. must have got there legitimately (and anything that looks like rosewood and isn't has been validated as such). No more paperwork is required.

So whether you're an individual luthier, a UK based guitar manufacturing company or even an eBay seller, as long as you're selling in the E.U. you're fine (as opposed to goods from outside the E.U., German customs has seized hundreds of suspect guitars without adequate paperwork including personal eBay sales). If Brexit doesn't include provisions for this kind of thing then a lot of people will have a lot more grief post-Brexit than they do now.

I presume it's not just guitars, any fine carpentry will have the same issues and could force those businesses out of the UK if they do a lot of business with the E.U.

IMO this illustrates the complexity and breadth of the issues we face post-Brexit and highlights how ridiculous the claims were that we'd have everything wrapped up in 2 years.
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There is one and only one way where all such concerns are covered - UK needs to stay in the single market. Without it a lot of people and businesses will feel the pain, especially in the UK.

McHrozni
 
McHrozni said:
There is one and only one way where all such concerns are covered - UK needs to stay in the single market. Without it a lot of people and businesses will feel the pain, especially in the UK.

McHrozni
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That would be the sensible way but that would also require free movement of people and that ain't gonna happen under the Tories.

It's going to be a diamond-hard Brexit and damn the consequences.
 
The Don said:
That would be the sensible way but that would also require free movement of people and that ain't gonna happen under the Tories.

It's going to be a diamond-hard Brexit and damn the consequences.
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Perhaps. I hope not, but you're right in that the Tories don't seem to even grasp the scale of the project. That's the first and necessary step towards completing the project successfully. It's also the easiest.

I'd get at least a portion of savings into something not denominated in pounds if I were you.

McHrozni
 
Interestingly, the EU has just established a free trade deal with Japan.

Apparently it was stalled for years but Trump pulling out of the TPP provided the necessary catalyst.

Major Japanese auto manufacturers have UK plants to allow them access to the EU. Looks like post-Brexit there's twice the pressure on those UK plants.
 
The Don said:
I was on my seat of ease this morning leafing through the latest issue of Guitarist magazine and yet another example of how the EU makes it easier for companies and consumers in the UK.

The trade in rosewood (formerly a popular material in guitar construction, especially fingerboards) is covered by CITES (Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora) and the administration around it is complex and expensive (adding more than £70 to the price of a guitar). The E.U. is covered as a block which means intra-E.U. trade requires no more admin on the grounds that any rosewood in the E.U. must have got there legitimately (and anything that looks like rosewood and isn't has been validated as such). No more paperwork is required.

So whether you're an individual luthier, a UK based guitar manufacturing company or even an eBay seller, as long as you're selling in the E.U. you're fine (as opposed to goods from outside the E.U., German customs has seized hundreds of suspect guitars without adequate paperwork including personal eBay sales). If Brexit doesn't include provisions for this kind of thing then a lot of people will have a lot more grief post-Brexit than they do now.

I presume it's not just guitars, any fine carpentry will have the same issues and could force those businesses out of the UK if they do a lot of business with the E.U.

IMO this illustrates the complexity and breadth of the issues we face post-Brexit and highlights how ridiculous the claims were that we'd have everything wrapped up in 2 years.
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The customs rules side of the Brexit alone is a real nightmare knowing all the issues that are involved. Customs are not only a question of tariff, but concerns a lot of other questions most people do not even suspect or realize.

Right now products produced or manufactured in the EU are normally not subject to customs controls while travelling within de boundaries of the EU. The same goes for product coming from third countries (i.e. countries which are not member of the EU) which have been customs cleared upon import and are in free circulation within the EU.

I case of a hard Brexit every movement of goods from the UK to the EU or from the EU to the UK will be subject to customs control again. The paperwork this will entail will already result in an increase of the costs of said products. There could also be some delays in the dispatch of the products, in particular in the case the HRMC does not increase it staff of customs officers.
 
McHrozni said:
Perhaps. I hope not, but you're right in that the Tories don't seem to even grasp the scale of the project. That's the first and necessary step towards completing the project successfully. It's also the easiest.

I'd get at least a portion of savings into something not denominated in pounds if I were you.

McHrozni
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Yeah one look at the General Election campaign tells the story of how appallingly inept the people in charge of these negotiations are. An election where everyone assumed they just had to turn up to win and May couldn't even handle the turning up bit. If she couldn't handle a debate audience how will she deal with the cut and thrust of the Brexit negotiations?
 
Garrison said:
Yeah one look at the General Election campaign tells the story of how appallingly inept the people in charge of these negotiations are. An election where everyone assumed they just had to turn up to win and May couldn't even handle the turning up bit. If she couldn't handle a debate audience how will she deal with the cut and thrust of the Brexit negotiations?
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tbh, all the other players in the Brexit are foreign. They will quickly recognise the inherent superiority of the British and capitulate immediately ;)
 
I see that a "Brexit u-turn in 2017 .... it's all a disaster and we've totally changed our minds" is about 20-1 with the bookies. I reckon those odds might shorten in the coming months ;)
 
Liam Fox, the international trade secretary, has claimed the BBC would rather see Britain fail than Brexit succeed, making him the second Eurosceptic cabinet minister to attack the broadcaster for its coverage of the UK’s departure from the EU.

Fox, who unsuccessfully stood for the leadership of the Conservative party last year, made the comments in response to concerns from Tory MP Nigel Evans that negative media coverage was undermining efforts to make trade deals with non-EU countries.

Speaking in the House of Commons, Fox said: “It does appear that some elements of our media would rather see Britain fail than see Brexit succeed. I cannot recall a single time in recent times when I have seen good economic news that the BBC didn’t describe as ‘despite Brexit’.”

His comments came after Andrea Leadsom, the leader of the House of Commons, called for broadcasters to be “a bit patriotic” about Brexit during an interview with BBC Newsnight last month.
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https://www.theguardian.com/media/2...d-rather-see-britain-fail-than-brexit-succeed

Stop talking down Britain by mentioning all the bad sides about Brexit dammit! It's demoralizing and they should instead give people empty promises about how amazing Britain outside of the EU will be like the lie about how the NHS would get an extra 350 million pounds a week! That was a really good lie wasn't it?

You're a patriot aren't you? Lie for Britain! Lie for Brexit!
 
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Garrison said:
Only that attacking the BBC is pretty much par for the course, it is after all another public service they would be happy to see the back of.
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Before the election it struck me that the Beeb was veering well towards the Tories, especially their political editor Laura Kuenssberg, who was launching into Corbyn almost daily. Strange how silent she has become since then ...
 
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