Brexit: Now What? Part II

[CapelDodger]

I've tried to find a link to a quote I heard on the radio yesterday but failed. It basically said that although May will give a vote on the plan for Brexit, it doesn't mean that this is the plan that will be used.

"No plan survives first contact with the enemy"

 

[Aepervius]

Did you see the disgraceful way the Daily Mail reported the trial, lost in the middle pages when every other national newspaper (except the FT) carried it on the front page. You'd almost think they had some qualms about what they helped bring about.

Na. They are as unscupulous as it goes, I simply think the explanation is that they deemed it was not front page material which would sell to their habitued buyer.

 

[McHrozni]

Looks like Paris is starting to woo UK financial institutions:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38245646

Of course this could be exaggerated, made up entirely, could just be companies sniffing around "just in case" but it's (yet) another thing that the government need to take into account.

Just talking about it does more damage to the UK than Brexit could possibly compensate for in the medium term.

McHrozni

 

[Aepervius]

Looks like Paris is starting to woo UK financial institutions:



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38245646

Of course this could be exaggerated, made up entirely, could just be companies sniffing around "just in case" but it's (yet) another thing that the government need to take into account.

Most probably sniffing around, and see if they can use that as a bargainning chip with UK government, or the other way around, get the UK bargaining chip and bargain a better one at other countries.

Right now I doubt anybody is deciding anything until march, but they would be fool to not look for alternative in case of hard "brexitus" (pun intended).

 

[Darat]

Not specifically (I avoid any unnecessary contact with the Fail) but I noted it in general while in the UK; it's become a non-issue for some reason.

It's had quite a bit of coverage but it was the "wrong" type of terrorism for the likes of the Mail and for wall to wall coverage, plus of course what was revealed does raise uncomfortable questions for the media, best not to make too much of a fuss else the searchlight may fall on the back offices.

 

[Greebo]

"No plan survives first contact with the enemy"

I have my suspicions that the negotiations will be along the lines of:-

UK - We want access to the single market - but no freedom of movement
EU - Errr.. . No. If you want access to the single market, this is what you will do.

Oversimplified, but close to the mark IMO.

 

[McHrozni]

I have my suspicions that the negotiations will be along the lines of:-

UK - We want access to the single market - but no freedom of movement
EU - Errr.. . No. If you want access to the single market, this is what you will do.

Oversimplified, but close to the mark IMO.

Yeah. A cherry-picked deal is impossible, EU already explicitly said so. "Working something out" would be difficult and probably extraordinarily expensive for the UK.

McHrozni

 

[Klimax]

Yeh, figures

This is the problem with especially unscrupulous politicians taking advantage of EU for their own short-term gain. Granted, Brexitards got the government posts, but are left with a mess they can't set right themselves, which will damage the country for generations to come.

Can we agree that the deplorables should be told loudly and repeatedly that they're paying the price of Brexit every time their wages drop, subsidies are cut, jobs lost or benefits taken away for the foreseeable future? "Hey, you lost your job, became unemployable and will live in poverty for the rest of your life, but at least you're safe from those pesky Poles!" is bound to anger anyone.

Maybe Johnson, Farage et.al. will eventually get their due as a result. I vote for the traditional English penalty for treason: HD&Q.

McHrozni

What is HDQ? (Tried to look it up, failed)

 

[McHrozni]

What is HDQ? (Tried to look it up, failed)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanged,_drawn_and_quartered

McHrozni

 

[Darat]

Hanged, drawn and quartered.

 

[Craig B]

What is HDQ? (Tried to look it up, failed)

Doubtless the reference is to hanging, drawing and quartering.

 

[The Don]

Earlier in the thread I alluded to an interview with the PM. It has finally been published here:
http://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top...ial_Icon&utm_campaign=in_article_social_icons

Interesting, in that it it is by a non-journalist in a constituency surgery.

Louise Mensch's take on it - by way of counterpoint.

http://heatst.com/world/brexit-ther...in-backer-in-maidenhead-constituency-surgery/

I love how she stresses that the author of the original piece isn't even British

 

[P.J. Denyer]

17 million people voted for Brexit, those three newspapers combined reach 1/3 of that if no one buys more than one newspaper and no one shares a newspaper - realistically the number is even lower.i

I don't want to get into the rest of the debate, but I think you're significantly underestimating the reach of the larger UK newspapers, particularly The Sun. I know few people who buy multiple newspapers (although it obviously does happen) but in the UK a very high percentage of newspapers have multiple readers.

The trivial case is of course the two adult home, but some of my parents generation used to swap papers with neighbours who read a different paper. My mother continued to do this after moving home. Libraries obviously have copies for public consumption, but so do pubs, cafes and very commonly work break rooms, either provided by the company or a co-worker who reads their copy and leaves it, it is also common practice to leave your finished newspaper on public transport, or in a pub or cafe for others to read. Finally the is the 'white van ' copy.. Practically any tradesman's van will have a copy of a newspaper (most commonly The Sun) which will be read by the driver and any other occupants of the van (drivers/builders mates, other colleagues) or passed around over breaks at site.

Front page headlines also get considerable exposure as they are prominently displayed a petrol stations, newsagents, local shops, supermarkets etc

 

[Klimax]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanged,_drawn_and_quartered

McHrozni

Hanged, drawn and quartered.

Doubtless the reference is to hanging, drawing and quartering.

Thanks, everybody.

 

[Greebo]

Louise Mensch's take on it - by way of counterpoint.

http://heatst.com/world/brexit-ther...in-backer-in-maidenhead-constituency-surgery/

snip

Sycophantic much?

 

[catsmate]

I think you're an optimist. They'll deny it has anything to do with Brexit, probably even blaming the EU for their misfortune.

Yep, blame the "others".

Looks like Paris is starting to woo UK financial institutions:

No starting, that was the day after Brexit.
And not just Paris. Leases have been signed for four buildings in Dublin that I know of. That's a committment of tens of millions.

 

[catsmate]

It's had quite a bit of coverage but it was the "wrong" type of terrorism for the likes of the Mail and for wall to wall coverage, plus of course what was revealed does raise uncomfortable questions for the media, best not to make too much of a fuss else the searchlight may fall on the back offices.

Exactly. Compared to the actual event coverage seemed minimal to me.

 

[catsmate]

Sycophantic much?

Not surprising for News Corp's latest conservative platform for Mench (failed MP, failed internet entrepreneur, failed cyberbully and failed liar) to rant from.

 

[ceptimus]

Nothing can satisfy the remoaner's request for a 'clear plan'.

This is a negotiation. Asking for a clear plan in advance is like asking a tennis player his/her plan for the match, or a poker player his/her plan for the poker game.

In both cases the player would say, 'My plan is to win, and I will do that by playing to the best of my ability'. The remoaners would doubtless want to know which corner of the court our player was going to aim all his/her serves, and what bets the poker player planned to place on hands 1, 2, 3, 4, ....

It's clearly ridiculous to ask for these plans in advance of the game. Even if the poker player were planning to bluff on his/her first hand and go all in regardless of the cards he held, (s)he could not reveal that information in advance without greatly increasing his/her chances of losing the game.

 

[3point14]

Nothing can satisfy the remoaner's request for a 'clear plan'.

Given that you think this:

Leave campaigners have always had a CLEAR plan - to get back control of borders and lawmaking but to retain trade and services access at current levels, and to stop paying EU contributions.

is a plan, I think we're dealing with definition of terms. I don't think that the leave side of things actually understands what a plan is.