Brexit: Now What? Part II

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Brexit wasn't just about immigration and those who proposed migration control weren't proposing shutting the door on "all" foreigners.
And they certainly weren't proposing deportations of legal immigrants.
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A significsnt number of leavers that I know thought that it was exactly what was proposed.
 
The Don said:
Who knows what the future holds. Perhaps some canny politician will realise how damaging Brexit will be.
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Owen Smith has been establishing a position on that ground. He's said that, under his leadership, the Labour Party would campaign to stay in, and that if we've already left he'd try to take us back in as PM.

Quite promising, really. And the awful truth has scarcely started to sink in yet.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
A significsnt number of leavers that I know thought that it was exactly what was proposed.
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My Mum was for Leave because of the £350m a week (she's of the generation which regards £350m as serious money). When she realised what the campaign was really about, and what kind of characters were running it, she was absolutely appalled and switched sides.

Of Michael Gove, Mum said "There's a face you could cheerfully step on", which is not her normal form of discourse. The nepots were quite shocked.
 
The Don said:
It's not the only communication from the official Leave campaign and of course there was an entirely separate campaigning group led by Nigel Farage.
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Of course it wasn't the only communication from the official leave campaign.
And Nigel Farage's views on immigration can be found here:
http://www.ukip.org/ukip_launches_immigration_policy
UKIP would introduce a visa system based on the Australian points model. This would be an ethical visa system for work and study, based on the principle of equal application to all people.
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It is however interesting to spot the lies, spin scaremongering and half truths even in that document.
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You are not even handed, you say nothing of the lies, spin scaremongering and half truths of David Cameron's campaigning or the official "Stronger In" campaign.

Out of interest have you ever tried to fact check their claims ?

Full fact did.
https://fullfact.org/europe/stronger-facts-leaflet-investment/
 
The Don said:
Has it occurred to you that if everyone else is "wrong" and that you are the only one who is "right" that it may just be possible that it's your understanding that is at fault ?
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"If you can keep your head while all around are losing theirs and blaming it on you, it could be you've failed to grasp the situation."
 
Farage is a turd, I could happily punch his teeth so far down his throat he would be smiling through his arse.
 
CapelDodger said:
My Mum was for Leave because of the £350m a week (she's of the generation which regards £350m as serious money). When she realised what the campaign was really about, and what kind of characters were running it, she was absolutely appalled and switched sides.

Of Michael Gove, Mum said "There's a face you could cheerfully step on", which is not her normal form of discourse. The nepots were quite shocked.
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Perhaps she didn't realise what the campaign was really about.

Lord Guthrie swapped sides too (in February he'd put his name to a letter calling for Britain to stay, but he swapped sides in June) :
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36565036
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Farage is a turd, I could happily punch his teeth so far down his throat he would be smiling through his arse.
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What makes you say that ?

He advocates an economic migration system based on ability, not nationality.

He said ISIS were using the refugee crisis as cover.
He's not the only one who thinks that.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/01/refugees-isis-nato-commander-terrorists

Just because he advocates leaving the EU it doesn't make him a "turd".
And violence against politicians is wholly unacceptable.

It's only a matter of months ago Jo Cox was murdered.
What would you have said if he'd been murdered instead ?
 
The Don said:
That is the current stated position of the Prime Minister but until Article 50 is invoked we are not yet leaving.
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And when we are leaving we've not yet left.

That's your opinion of what is going to happen. What I, and other people are attempting to show you is that your assumptions about a post-Brexit future are unrealistically optimistic.
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That will become clear to all rational minds once we are leaving, under the inspired leadership of Boris Johnson, David Davis and Liam Fox, not to mention May's over-riding input.

It's not going to happen.
 
Airfix said:
What makes you say that ?

He advocates an economic migration system based on ability, not nationality.

He said ISIS were using the refugee crisis as cover.
He's not the only one who thinks that.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/01/refugees-isis-nato-commander-terrorists

Just because he advocates leaving the EU it doesn't make him a "turd".
And violence against politicians is wholly unacceptable.

It's only a matter of months ago Jo Cox was murdered.
What would you have said if he'd been murdered instead ?
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What would I say if Nigel Farage was murdered? I would say that global IQ had suddenly risen.

By the way, why is it that Farage prefers the french pronunciation of his surname? He get quite irate if one uses the english pronunciation which rhymes with "cabbage".

I prefer to use the english version. Nige of clan Cabbage doesn't like it.
 
Airfix said:
Perhaps she didn't realise what the campaign was really about.
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My mother is a very intelligent and informed person. Don't project your failings onto people you don't know.

She knows the likes of Farage, Johnson and Gove.

Lord Guthrie swapped sides too (in February he'd put his name to a letter calling for Britain to stay, but he swapped sides in June) :
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36565036
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Lord Guthrie is long past his best, unlike my mother. His "worries" about a non-existent European Army - you have twigged by now that it's non-existent, I hope - demonstrate that. Bloody fool.
 
Airfix said:
Depends on the import / export.
Biofuels for example are a growth industry and do not damage the environment the way that conventional fuels do.
Solar and wind energy systems are also better for the environment.

Where would the harm be in those ?
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Interesting that the Telegraph today talks about CANZUK - Canada (which has a large Quebec influence - not that pro British), Australia (who has more natural resources than the UK by a shed load), New Zealand (who already supplies us with their lamb and not much else) and the UK as being able to unite as a "pillar of Western civilization".

Allwhite for some it seems.

The other commonwealth countries by and large ignored.

However, of course the UK could start trade deals with them too.

UK representative: Hi guys. We have come here to talk about a trade deal, Commonwealth wise if you get my drift.

Non CANZUK representative: I see. Did you know you killed my grandfather and that many people in my country starved not long ago because of you. How would you like to start?

UK representative: Errr...
 
CapelDodger said:
Next to Trump, like Clara Petacci next to Benito Mussolini.
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My list with suggestions for street decorations runs a bit longer than that.

I was curious to see if someone would not get the reference, but now you've pre-empted that experiment. ;)
 
ddt said:
So let's look at those points..

1) "The UK joined the European Union in 1973. Back then it was known as the Common Market".
No really, it wasn't. It was only nicknamed such in the UK, but in no other country. And the politicians of the day - there was also a referendum in 1975 - were very upfront about the vision that the EU would lead to ever tighter integration in all kind of aspects.
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Expanding on the wrongness in that first point...

The EU does not control our borders - we have total control over non-EU immigration.

The EU does not control our public services - the UK government does

The prisoners' right to vote (which personally I think is a good idea, IMO it's an important part of the rehabilitation process) is under the ECHR which AFAIK is under the auspices of the Council of Europe. So unless we go full out-out-out (to also allow us to reintroduce the death penalty and join such bastions of human rights as China, North Korea and Iran) we will still be bound by it.


So not one single word of that entire point is true....
 
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