Brexit: Now What? Part II

[ddt]

Can anyone who knows about Belgian politicians tell me if this appointment is indicative of strong support for the Scottish government's pro-EU stance? And if so, how that might be translated into practical effect during the Article 50 process, if and when that is ever initiated by the Theresa May administration in Westminster.

Guy Verhofstadt certainly has experience with cutting up a country and getting a supermajority for it in parliament. He led 1999-2008 the so-called "purple" governments, coalitions of the socialists, liberals (which are the right-wingers in Belgium) and greens, which for the first time removed the christian-democrats from the levers of power.

He's certainly a heavyweight, and above all, he's a very passionate European. He'll be very sympathetic to Scottish wishes they want to remain in the EU. He's also passionate about human rights, unlike the Conservatives. Show him some of the Tory agit-prop against the ECHR and he'll likely fume out of his ears, nose and mouth. Yes, I know that's not EU business but it may also be a factor in how he views the Westminster government vs. Holyrood.

Here's his speech in the EP on the Brexit referendum:


And a classic is his rant against the British member of the Fisheries committee:


So the answer is clearly: yes, this is good news for Scotland. But he can't work wonders, so better also work on your Irish insurance policy.

 

[McHrozni]

I'm not sure if this fits here or under humor. Please move accordingly.

Brexit Secretary David Davis has predicted a round of global trade deals will be fully negotiated within 12 to 24 months, coming into force when the UK leaves the EU.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-37300254

McHrozni

 

[ddt]

I'm not sure if this fits here or under humor. Please move accordingly.

Brexit Secretary David Davis has predicted a round of global trade deals will be fully negotiated within 12 to 24 months, coming into force when the UK leaves the EU.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-37300254

McHrozni

Why doesn't he hire Trump? Then he can have those deals in 3 months. The best, awesomest deals.

Is this claim just meant for internal British consumption, or is it a shot before the bow for the EU? If the latter, he'll be skinned alive by the EU negotiators if he really thinks it's a serious threat.

The lunatics are running the asylum. I pity thee, Britons.

 

[Airfix]

Last I checked biofuels were fairly horrible in their impact in a load of areas. Farmers switch to growing fuel crops at the expense of food then the stuff is shipped around the world.

It all depends on the particular biofuel.
Waste products from whisky distillation for example, which were previously disposed of by various methods including discharge into the sea can now be turned into fuel.

http://www.celtic-renewables.com/ne...ry-first-to-produce-fuel-from-whisky-residues

And a New Zealand Brewery has had a similar idea for waste byproducts from it's brewing process.

http://gull.nz/fuel/db-export-brewtroleum/

Rare earth elements are not the only materials that can be used to make magnets. Ordinary ferrite cores can work.
And isn't there rather a lot of scrap iron and scrap steel around that could be recycled ?

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

It all depends on the particular biofuel.
Waste products from whisky distillation for example, which were previously disposed of by various methods including discharge into the sea can now be turned into fuel.

http://www.celtic-renewables.com/ne...ry-first-to-produce-fuel-from-whisky-residues

And a New Zealand Brewery has had a similar idea for waste byproducts from it's brewing process.

http://gull.nz/fuel/db-export-brewtroleum/

Rare earth elements are not the only materials that can be used to make magnets. Ordinary ferrite cores can work.
And isn't there rather a lot of scrap iron and scrap steel around that could be recycled ?

Im not involved in the industry anymore so ima handful of years out of date but no you cant just use old technoligy and scrap metal.

In any case its always going to be better environmentally to buy a danish turbine than an indian one.

If the commonwealth was an answer to any question why have the fifty nations not in the eu already done what you think they should do?

You seem to be clutching at any straw as long as its not the EU.

 

[Airfix]

As I keep saying, Article TFEU 207 prohibits members of the EU from having their own bilateral free trade agreements.
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:12008E207:en:HTML

Individual Commonwealth countries not in the EU can negotiate bilateral free trade agreements with each other though.
.....
Btw, I'm not saying we use old technology for turbines.

I'm saying there's a lot of scrap metal that could be recycled by melting it down and turning it into magnets.
And we should make and export turbines to countries that do not make their own.

Magnets alone do not make an inductor, that requires copper wiring (the more turns the better).

There's also the issue of glass reinforced plastic / carbon fibre for the turbine blades and the tower section. But we could also make that.

As for "clutching at straws", we've had a binding referendum. We're leaving the EU. Brexit is happening. I'm suggesting ways to make it work.

If it wasn't happening, I'd have accepted a democratic vote to remain, but we've voted to leave, we're leaving. Some people don't seem to comprehend that it's going to happen.

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

As I keep saying, Article TFEU 207 prohibits members of the EU from having their own bilateral free trade agreements.
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:12008E207:en:HTML

Individual Commonwealth countries not in the EU can negotiate bilateral free trade agreements with each other though.

Sorry was that an answer to me? It didnt address what I asked. Maybe my question was worded badly.

Fifty commonwealth countries are not in the eu. They could create a commonwealth free trade zone if they wanted to. They havent. Why is that in your view?

 

[Airfix]

Re read the post, I've added more to it.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Sorry was that an answer to me? It didnt address what I asked. Maybe my question was worded badly.

Fifty commonwealth countries are not in the eu. They could create a commonwealth free trade zone if they wanted to. They havent. Why is that in your view?

Because the Mother Country isn't there to show them the error if their ways?
They will do it for the Queen and good old Britannia.

 

[McHrozni]

As for "clutching at straws", we've had a binding referendum. We're leaving the EU. Brexit is happening. I'm suggesting ways to make it work.

In case it hasn't dawned it to you yet, the ways you're suggesting it could work could never work.

McHrozni

 

[McHrozni]

Rare earth elements are not the only materials that can be used to make magnets. Ordinary ferrite cores can work.

Yeah. In the same sense as we don't need oil to drive the world trade. We can move people and goods around the world with sails, paddles and horses, it can work.

McHrozni

 

[The Don]

In case it hasn't dawned it to you yet, the ways you're suggesting it could work could never work.

McHrozni

....and not only that but the vast majority of those who voted Leave would be more unhappy with Airfix's proposed post-Brexit scenario that with staying in the EU.

IMO there is no post-Brexit scenario which can get the support of a majority of Leave voters, much less a majority of the UK population.

IMO this is yet another example of Brexit magical thinking in which, despite all evidence to the contrary, the UK gets to define an ideal post-Brexit position and all other countries will meekly fall into line.

 

[McHrozni]

....and not only that but the vast majority of those who voted Leave would be more unhappy with Airfix's proposed post-Brexit scenario that with staying in the EU.

Yeah. It could never work on multiple levels - the solutions are unfeasible. Even if they were feasible they would be worse than membership in EU. And if they weren't worse than membership in EU they still wouldn't be acceptable to a majority of British electorate.

The whole Brexit thing can not work unless the EU bends over and gives UK incredible preferential treatment. Good luck with that.

McHrozni

 

[Amazer]

As I keep saying, Article TFEU 207 prohibits members of the EU from having their own bilateral free trade agreements.
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:12008E207:en:HTML

Individual Commonwealth countries not in the EU can negotiate bilateral free trade agreements with each other though.
.....
Btw, I'm not saying we use old technology for turbines.

I'm saying there's a lot of scrap metal that could be recycled by melting it down and turning it into magnets.
And we should make and export turbines to countries that do not make their own.

Magnets alone do not make an inductor, that requires copper wiring (the more turns the better).

There's also the issue of glass reinforced plastic / carbon fibre for the turbine blades and the tower section. But we could also make that.

As for "clutching at straws", we've had a binding referendum. We're leaving the EU. Brexit is happening. I'm suggesting ways to make it work.

If it wasn't happening, I'd have accepted a democratic vote to remain, but we've voted to leave, we're leaving. Some people don't seem to comprehend that it's going to happen.

The referendum was not binding... at least not in a legal sense.

 

[Aepervius]

DDT was this video you wanted to link about Farange waste of money ?



the speech on EU / brexit :


Your link were not working.

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

As I keep saying, Article TFEU 207 prohibits members of the EU from having their own bilateral free trade agreements.
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:12008E207:en:HTML

Individual Commonwealth countries not in the EU can negotiate bilateral free trade agreements with each other though.
.....
Btw, I'm not saying we use old technology for turbines.

I'm saying there's a lot of scrap metal that could be recycled by melting it down and turning it into magnets.
And we should make and export turbines to countries that do not make their own.

Magnets alone do not make an inductor, that requires copper wiring (the more turns the better).

There's also the issue of glass reinforced plastic / carbon fibre for the turbine blades and the tower section. But we could also make that.

As for "clutching at straws", we've had a binding referendum. We're leaving the EU. Brexit is happening. I'm suggesting ways to make it work.

If it wasn't happening, I'd have accepted a democratic vote to remain, but we've voted to leave, we're leaving. Some people don't seem to comprehend that it's going to happen.

Well look. We should have stayed in the eu. The next best thing is to salvage as much of the EU as we can.

The referendum gave a marginal win for leave however so there is a need for May to do something to deal with that issue.

She can either ignore the vote or implement it. The only argument for implementing it seems to be that she is morally bound to do so after asking the question. If that's the case then she is surely morally bound to do what it appears those voters wanted. Which is not the weird and wonderful plans you suggest.

As best I could tell they wanted an end to EU regulation immigration and money sent to Brussels. If that's the case then there is no moral argument for joining EFTA or EEA.

So you might as well just stay in the EU.

Thats the choice for May. Hole her primeministership below the waterline by ignoring the people or democratically shoot the country in the foot because half of them want it. And that in a nutshell is why she is doing nothing.

The only people with answers at this stage are the wrong people with the wrong answers. Happy days.

 

[McHrozni]

Thats the choice for May. Hole her primeministership below the waterline by ignoring the people or democratically shoot the country in the foot because half of them want it. And that in a nutshell is why she is doing nothing.

The only people with answers at this stage are the wrong people with the wrong answers. Happy days.

With every new comment from Brexit leaders I'm more convinced she set them up to fail. They now had nearly three full months to come up with a plan, and they still haven't even decided on who decides what.

They don't have an unlimited time. May said that they will wait with A50 until after British and French elections, so until September 2017. If she wants to carry the negotiations and leaving the EU through by the end of her premiership, she has a margin of error of just 8 months left.

The thing is, France and Germany are just the two biggest issues. Another 13 EU countries, Italy among them, hold elections in 2018. Italy has the same voting power as France and Germany, and the other 12 can't all be dismissed as irrelevant either (Sweden, Austria, Czech republic, etc).

McHrozni

 

[The Don]

With every new comment from Brexit leaders I'm more convinced she set them up to fail. They now had nearly three full months to come up with a plan, and they still haven't even decided on who decides what.

I wish I shared your sanguine view but the more I see of this mess the more I'm convinced that Theresa May is a closet out-out-out supporter. Whilst she may be setting up Johnson, Davis and Fox to fail (and I can see her doing this for personal reasons) it's not as a prelude to some great reverse in which she declares that the UK is not ready for Brexit but instead a rapid exit from the EU, EEA and the Council of Europe (so we're no longer bound by pesky human rights legislation either).

We can then proudly join the ranks of second and third tier nations competing on price whilst exploiting our workers and poisoning our environment

 

[The Don]

....and in other news senior civil servants warn that they'll need more money if they're going to continue to deliver service as usual as well as sorting out Brexit.

Looks like that "£350m a week*" won't be available for the NHS** after all

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37315544

A lack of resources in Whitehall threatens the UK's successful exit from the EU, the head of the senior civil servants' union has warned.

Brexit will mean a cut in public spending unless funding is increased, the First Division Association says.

A Conservative MP who voted to leave the EU warned the work could take two decades to complete without more support from ministers.

* - much less than £350m a week when rebates are taken into account
** - and to fund infrastructure projects, and to provide support for deprived areas of the UK, and to provide subsidies for farmers, and to subsidise failing industries and so on

 

[McHrozni]

I wish I shared your sanguine view but the more I see of this mess the more I'm convinced that Theresa May is a closet out-out-out supporter. Whilst she may be setting up Johnson, Davis and Fox to fail (and I can see her doing this for personal reasons) it's not as a prelude to some great reverse in which she declares that the UK is not ready for Brexit but instead a rapid exit from the EU, EEA and the Council of Europe (so we're no longer bound by pesky human rights legislation either).

I'm an eternal optimist. Still, if she's playing the only game that matters by setting the Brexitard leaders to fail and is a closet out-out-out, she is setting herself up to fail as well. Within a year she will face a sobering reality: either invoke A50 when the country is utterly unprepared and ensuring Brexit will be an utter failure, or else delay Brexit and ensure British elections will take place before UK exits the EU, with highly unpredictable results.

She does not have unlimited time. If she wants to execute a full out-out-out, she has to invoke A50 before May 6^th, 2018. Time is not on her side, and she does need several months to prepare after the Brexitard idiots are removed from their posts.

McHrozni