Cont: Brexit: Now What? Part 5

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Tolls said:
I see you gave up on the growth data and have now moved onto something equally absurd.

How many people coming across the border illegally to French Guiana end up in Europe.
Indeed, how much illegal trade occurs across that border?
Are there lorry loads of goods coming over, through the jungle?

No?

So what on earth makes you think that this is in any way comparable to the Irish border? Or did you just read this on some Leave-oriented page and didn't give it another thought?
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Leave campaigned on 'taking back control of our borders' so of course it makes sense that after the vote they then spend ages trying to find examples of places which don't control their borders as strongly so they have an excuse to yet again somehow blame the EU for just one of the issues they haven't thought through properly.

Mind you when the main motivation for leaving the EU seems to have been keeping out Muslims then I guess you are already through the looking glass.
 
ceptimus said:
"almost all" are the weasle words here.
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Really? How would you have expressed the fact that the Oyapack is - as Wikipedia states - "a 370-km (230-mi)–long river in South America that forms most of the border between French Guiana and the Brazilian state of Amapá"?

Also you focus on one river boundary and ignore the other river boundary with Suriname. You would make a good EU bureaucrat: the EU needs people who apply different standards to suit their biased and hypocritical politics.
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The only hypocrite here is you. You misrepresented the "example" of the single border crossing between Brazil and French Guiana, and only when your misrepresentation was called out did you start talking about Suriname as well.
 
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Tolls said:
I see you gave up on the growth data and have now moved onto something equally absurd.

How many people coming across the border illegally to French Guiana end up in Europe.
Indeed, how much illegal trade occurs across that border?
Are there lorry loads of goods coming over, through the jungle?

No?

So what on earth makes you think that this is in any way comparable to the Irish border? Or did you just read this on some Leave-oriented page and didn't give it another thought?
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Presumably also without actually looking at a map.
 
Tolls said:
I see you gave up on the growth data and have now moved onto something equally absurd.

How many people coming across the border illegally to French Guiana end up in Europe.
Indeed, how much illegal trade occurs across that border?
Are there lorry loads of goods coming over, through the jungle?

No?

So what on earth makes you think that this is in any way comparable to the Irish border? Or did you just read this on some Leave-oriented page and didn't give it another thought?
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I haven't "given up" on the growth data. The growth data figures I gave are FACTS. You can verify the facts yourself easily at any time. Take your blinkers off.
 
Information Analyst said:
Really? How would you have expressed the fact that the Oyapack is - as Wikipedia states - "a 370-km (230-mi)–long river in South America that forms most of the border between French Guiana and the Brazilian state of Amapá"?


The only hypocrite here is you. You misrepresented the "example" of the single border crossing between Brazil and French Guiana, and only when your misrepresentation was called out did you start talking about Suriname as well.
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Another lie. If not a lie then at least proof that you didn't read my post carefully.
 
ceptimus said:
Another lie. If not a lie then at least proof that you didn't read my post carefully.
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Rather a proof that you didn't draft your post carefully.

Customs check points are usually located on infrastructures that allows easy border crossing, like roads, rails, ports or airports. There are no so many structures of this kind between French Guyana and the two neighbor countries, i.e. Brazil and Suriname. And crossing the border through non authorized ways, which is typically the case for someone who would try to import goods through the jungle is a breach of EU customs rules. As a matter of fact this is just the same a using a dinghy to imports goods into the UK through a UK beach. Not allowed and a breach of the law.

Are sure that the HMRC are able to check every single kilometer of UK coasts in order to prevent this from happening?
 
Can I please get an acknowledgment that you now admit that the fact I posted about UK growth being three times the Eurozone growth is true?

If you're unable to accept plain facts then what's the point of continuing the debate?
 
3point14 said:
Comedy electioneers are often ahead of the curve.

The following were all policies of the MRLP way before any serious politician stopped laughing at them:

24-hour licensing laws
Lowering the voting age to 18
Abolition of dog licences
The pedestrianisation of Carnaby Street
Passports for pets
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Though they never went for extremist nonsense like abolishing slavery.
 
ceptimus said:
Can I please get an acknowledgment that you now admit that the fact I posted about UK growth being three times the Eurozone growth is true?

If you're unable to accept plain facts then what's the point of continuing the debate?
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For the one quarter you cherry picked?

Growth in UK GDP in August was 0%. Can't find the EU number but if is more than 0 then we can say EU growth is infinity times higher than the UK's!

It also looks as if they don't even measure the same dates as the UK one runs to Aug and the EU one seems to run to September.

So yes... other than all of that you made a great point.
 
Wudang said:
My diet doesn't allow fudge.

Current leaks are that May wants to sell her "plan" to MPs one at a time so she can tailor the fudge to suit.
"This will allow us to (delete as appropriate)
a) crack down on
b) freely allow
c) adopt a flexible response to
(please select from the following issues)
........."
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Seriously? At five minutes per victim that a few days continuous talking lying.
 
ceptimus said:
I haven't "given up" on the growth data. The growth data figures I gave are FACTS. You can verify the facts yourself easily at any time. Take your blinkers off.
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You've failed/refused to provide a source for your claims,m hence I declare them fake facts.
 
ceptimus said:
French Guiana is part of France and therefore part of the EU. There is no proper border structure between the EU and neighbouring countries such as Brazil. The EU turns a blind eye to this although it maintains that it could never do the same in Ireland. Yet another example of EU hypocrisy.
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Complete rubbish.
 
Archie Gemmill Goal said:
It also looks as if they don't even measure the same dates as the UK one runs to Aug and the EU one seems to run to September.
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UK vs EU

Euro zone gross domestic product (GDP) rose by 0.2 percent in the July-Sept period, European statistics agency Eurostat reported, confirming its earlier preliminary flash estimate from Oct. 30.
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https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-eurozone-economy/euro-zone-gdp-growth-rate-confirmed-at-four-year-low-idUKKCN1NJ1DJ

UK gross domestic product (GDP) grew by 0.6% in Quarter 3 2018
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https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/grossdomesticproductgdp/bulletins/gdpmonthlyestimateuk/september2018

And Germany:

Gross domestic product fell by 0.2% compared with the second quarter
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https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/nov/14/german-economy-shrinks-for-first-time-since-2015
 
I promise I won't post again till someone acknowledges that my growth facts were true and apologizes for the other posters lying about them. If people can't acknowledge plain facts then continuing with this thread is futile.
 
ceptimus said:
I promise I won't post again till someone acknowledges that my growth facts were true and apologizes for the other posters lying about them.
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Seriously, your demand is that one person should agree with you and then apologise for some other people's behaviour? If so, thank you for the insight you've given me into the mental state required to think Brexit is a good idea.

Dave
 
ceptimus said:
I promise I won't post again till someone acknowledges that my growth facts were true and apologizes for the other posters lying about them. If people can't acknowledge plain facts then continuing with this thread is futile.
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Bye!
 
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