Cont: Brexit: Now What? Part 5

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ceptimus said:
In the case of my 'declining value of the pound' comment, you acknowledge yourself that it was wholly true. It's telling that you see it as criticism - shows bias on your part.
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On the contrary, the issue was that you felt the need to suggest a link between the decline in the value of the pound to our membership of the EU, as if the value of the pound had not similarly declines in the 35 years before we joined it, as well.

In contrast the '£2 will only be worth 50p' style comments are only predictions and almost certainly wrong. But no doubt you think they're just fair comment and not criticisms at all. Again, this shows your bias.
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The pound took a severe hit when the referendum result became clear. You would have to be spectacularly naïve to think the same won't happen when Brexit actually happens.
 
I'm like Gerald the Gorilla about this



I have lost two immediate colleagues back to the EU, both with higher degrees, and good friends of mine. There are several others (also with doctorates/postdocs) who are considering moving.

It will be harder for my kids to find jobs in Europe and harder for them to get jobs in the UK. My job is not going to be as secure. The Don's business is threatened. If there is no deal then the UK would be allocated 1,224 annual permits for 16,000 daily journeys As well as the supply chain problem - that means a lot of lorry companies will go bust.

And then we get platitudinous statements like the following.


ceptimus said:
I do it to compensate for the reflex criticism of Brexit by most other posters in the thread.


In the case of my 'declining value of the pound' comment, you acknowledge yourself that it was wholly true. It's telling that you see it as criticism - shows bias on your part.


In contrast the '£2 will only be worth 50p' style comments are only predictions and almost certainly wrong. But no doubt you think they're just fair comment and not criticisms at all. Again, this shows your bias.
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Tell me why I shouldn't reflexively criticise something that is a response to petty minded bigotry and a little Englander mentality, and which is pushed by xenophobic wingnuts who are mainly doing all they can to insulate themselves from the position they are pushing us into?

If Rees Mogg hadn't moved a lot of his wealth out of the country I'd think that he at least had the strength of his convictions.

If large numbers of the DUP's supporters hadn't suddenly taken advantage of their being born on the island of Ireland and applied for Irish citizenship, I'd think they had the strength of their convictions.

If Farage hadn't said that this had been achieved without a shot being fired, shortly after Jo Cox was murdered by someone influenced by the bigotry, I'd have a bit less contempt for him.

Give me a non-trivial benefit of Brexit to set against this.

I can understand doing something for selfish reasons, but Brexit is cutting one's nose off to spite one's face.
 
Mid said:
I'm still half surprised they haven't gone the whole hog and announced de-decimalisation so they could have a celebratory Brexit shilling.
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there's already plenty of shilling for brexit...
 
And it's all Apple's fault!

BBC News: Brexit: UK government's battle with Apple over EU citizens app.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46043668

Summary, the Home Office has developed an app on Android to make it simpler for EU citizens to apply for residency after Brexit. Problem is the functionality they use isn't available with an iPhone. Now the iPhone does have the necessary hardware but Apple do not allow apps to use it.The government has tried to persuade Apple to make the feature available but of course Apple hasn't.

So it is the fault of the foreigners once again trying to put blocks in the path to Brexit and not the fault of the Home Office!

Really does show an excellent example of the amount of influence the UK will have when we leave the EU.
 
Darat said:
And it's all Apple's fault!

BBC News: Brexit: UK government's battle with Apple over EU citizens app.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46043668

Summary, the Home Office has developed an app on Android to make it simpler for EU citizens to apply for residency after Brexit. Problem is the functionality they use isn't available with an iPhone. Now the iPhone does have the necessary hardware but Apple do not allow apps to use it.The government has tried to persuade Apple to make the feature available but of course Apple hasn't.

So it is the fault of the foreigners once again trying to put blocks in the path to Brexit and not the fault of the Home Office!

Really does show an excellent example of the amount of influence the UK will have when we leave the EU.
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I think it just shows how likely an app developer is to get Apple to change their hardware strategy to suit their piddling little app. Seems like incompetence by the developers here.
 
Darat said:
And it's all Apple's fault!

BBC News: Brexit: UK government's battle with Apple over EU citizens app.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46043668

Summary, the Home Office has developed an app on Android to make it simpler for EU citizens to apply for residency after Brexit. Problem is the functionality they use isn't available with an iPhone. Now the iPhone does have the necessary hardware but Apple do not allow apps to use it.The government has tried to persuade Apple to make the feature available but of course Apple hasn't.

So it is the fault of the foreigners once again trying to put blocks in the path to Brexit and not the fault of the Home Office!

Really does show an excellent example of the amount of influence the UK will have when we leave the EU.
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Germany had an app for its ID cards for some time now. They don't get to use the NFC feature of the iPhone either. No problem on my android phone.

Kind of your own fault if you buy Apple.
 
To get a feel of useless our Government has been (and someone squirming during an important hearing), you need to look up the video relating to this article:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...inals-yvette-cooper-labour-home-a8608976.html

Lynne Owens, director general of the National Crime Agency, said the loss of SIS II, Europol membership and other EU systems would have major implications for British law enforcement.

She said that instead of automatically accessing SIS II as they do now, officers will have to call colleagues in member states for information.

“The best we can come up with is a very manual system,” she added. “Serious and organised criminals will adapt their behaviour and working practices on the basis of what is put in place … if we don't have access to these tools there is a risk that this country is less safe as a result.”
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Darat said:
And it's all Apple's fault!

BBC News: Brexit: UK government's battle with Apple over EU citizens app.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46043668

Summary, the Home Office has developed an app on Android to make it simpler for EU citizens to apply for residency after Brexit. Problem is the functionality they use isn't available with an iPhone. Now the iPhone does have the necessary hardware but Apple do not allow apps to use it.The government has tried to persuade Apple to make the feature available but of course Apple hasn't.

So it is the fault of the foreigners once again trying to put blocks in the path to Brexit and not the fault of the Home Office!

Really does show an excellent example of the amount of influence the UK will have when we leave the EU.
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Meh, get a proper device.

Archie Gemmill Goal said:
I think it just shows how likely an app developer is to get Apple to change their hardware strategy to suit their piddling little app. Seems like incompetence by the developers here.
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Not really, more arrogance. The functionality is quite usable under Android, however Apple has plans that involve (as usual) milking their customers. They're certainly not going to change them for a third-rate government.
 
catsmate said:
Meh, get a proper device.


Not really, more arrogance. The functionality is quite usable under Android, however Apple has plans that involve (as usual) milking their customers. They're certainly not going to change them for a third-rate government.
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Do you think the government expected them to though? Or do you think it was just an oversight on their behalf of that of the developer? Or else someone telling them porkies?

I doubt anyone in government pays enough attention to these things to even know what the question is let alone the answer.
 
Archie Gemmill Goal said:
Do you think the government expected them to though? Or do you think it was just an oversight on their behalf of that of the developer? Or else someone telling them porkies?

I doubt anyone in government pays enough attention to these things to even know what the question is let alone the answer.
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The home Secretary visited Apple to apparently bring up this er.. problem.
 
Hellbound said:
If I was Apple, I'd offer them free vouchers to an online developer's course :)
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Although a comparatively small issue I think this really does get at the heart of the issue with Brexit and that is no one senior in government can cope with the complexities of the details. They are all used to being able to say to underlings "I want this" and other people have had to work it out for them. This time they are finding out that "I want this" is not enough, they need to be specific in what they want and they don't have a clue about the real world.

Back to this specific point, why on earth did they think that Apple was going to make the changes to their OS for the sake of a UK app? It's beyond unreasonable, it is pure delusion. I think we are going to see a lot more of these "moments of hard truth" coming to light over the months leading up until we leave.

Unfortunately the world is not going to bend to what the UK (current) government wants.
 
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