President of the European Commission
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Claude_Juncker
Now what were you saying?
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President of the European Commission
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Claude_Juncker
Now what were you saying?
No. I have full supporting evidence but I'm just not willing to post it. You can search for it yourself in the unlikely event that you don't already *KNOW* that what I said is true.
Lothian
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Indeed it is interesting how cleverly a politician can use language to appeal to the ignorant. She used 'unelected' as a critcism when referring to the commissioners. She knows the commissioners are 'selected' by the elected Governments of each member state. Our PM selects the UK commissioner. The PM also on occasions will select unelected UK ministers. You have to wonder why those criticising unelected EU officials don't point out that the UK parliamentary system is similar.
Fortunately we here can see these cheap slurs for what they are, can't we Henri.
Andy_Ross
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Says everyone on the internet without evidence.
You know you make yourself look like an Apollohoaxer or 9/11 Hoax proponent with such statements.
Lothian
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Read Degeneve's post again. It is correct. The European Commission and European Union are two different things. You are confusing the role of the prime minister and the head of the civil service.
There is no EU prime minister only the chief lacky of the European parliament and Governments.
What?
I referred the the pronouncements of J-C Juncker - which you can't deny he makes;
I referred to J-C Juncker as the President of the EC - which is correct, at least according to Wiki
Quite how was I wrong? Or are you saying J-C Juncker is irrelevant?
This forum has a strong rationalistic bent, though you wouldn't always notice. If you don't want to attempt rational arguments for fear of having them knocked down, then you are in the completely wrong place.
Even if you don't supply a rational argument, I will try to translate whatever someone says into one. This is the best I can manage for you, right now:
Juncker, as a high EU offical, has said something I disagree with. This makes me angry and therefore I want the UK to leave the EU to punish him.
This is a perfectly rational argument, and I am sure many decisions are made on such a base. But most people prefer to make more sophisticated arguments in a discussion. So perhaps my understanding of your argument is not quite complete?
Here! Here! The day the nation-state is abolished is the day humanity can start to step forward as one.
Lothian
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Pretty much. He is a public servant.
Earthborn
Terrestrial Intelligence
That you just made my point and clearly showed you don't know what you're talking about.
Which can be completely ignored if the majority disagree
Via Subsidiarity? One country alone has no hope of even triggering the lowest level of review;-
https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/law-m...parliaments/subsidiarity-control-mechanism_en So pretty much a statement of opinion - see above
Hmmm, well that suggests either his masters agree with him, his masters have no control over him, or his masters are allowing him to sow dissent. None of which fill me with confidence.
Nope
Indeed.
I certainly don't know what you're talking about but I draw your attention to this post http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12392761&postcount=1626 and following conversation with @Lothian.
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I'm afraid, unless you actually provide your argument, I am unable to believe that.
Strawberry
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What is it that Jean Claude Juncker has said which bothers you so much?
jeremyp
Philosopher
The European Commission is the body that is responsible for creating legislation to carry out the policy of the European Council. They don’t do anything except at the behest of the governments of the member states. Furthermore their legislation can be stopped by a third body called the Council of the European Union, also consisting of the member governments.
Until we leave, Mr Juncker can’t do anything without our say so. To suggest otherwise is pure FUD.
Henri McPhee
Illuminator
You don't seem to appreciate that member states now no longer have a veto, except perhaps for France and Germany.
To be fair, the reason we don't appreciate that, is because it's untrue.
How else did Wallonia hold up the EU trade deal with Canada?
Please provide evidence for this claim.
"Delays at Heathrow Airport passport control left passengers queuing for up to two and a half hours last month, figures show.
On 30 out of 31 days in July, the border force missed its target of a 45-minute wait or less for 95% of visitors from outside the European Economic Area (EEA)."
And if EEA visitors have to join that queue, post-brexit?
The many elements of this shambles are adding up daily.
On 30 out of 31 days in July, the border force missed its target of a 45-minute wait or less for 95% of visitors from outside the European Economic Area (EEA)."
And if EEA visitors have to join that queue, post-brexit?
The many elements of this shambles are adding up daily.
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