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That's reportedly what David Cameron says in his book.

Hmmm... to be honest, I don’t much trust anything that Cameron has to say either in terms of how he will try to spin things to his advantage or in terms of his ability to read the political landscape. He was the guy who got us into this mess and resigned immediately after doing it even as he had promised to negotiate a Brexit if Remain lost.
 
That's reportedly what David Cameron says in his book.

Then, as mentioned upthread, it would seem to leave Johnson in contempt of court if the Supreme Court decision goes against him. Hmmm ...

It strikes me he's taking huge risks with his own future when the outcome is far from clear. Perhaps he just follows Rasputin's Cummings' orders?
 
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Then, as mentioned upthread, it would seem to leave Johnson in contempt of court if the Supreme Court decision goes against him. Hmmm ...

It strikes me he's taking huge risks with his own future when the outcome is far from clear. Perhaps he just follows Rasputin's Cummings' orders?

Hmmm...didn't he also take a risk in assuming that Corbyn wouldn't agree to the general election? If they had said yes, then the Tories would then have to worry about the Brexit Party peeling off votes from them.
 
I'm pretty sure Johnson Cummings assumed Corbyn would agree to an election. Was counting on it, in fact, and is now in serious trouble because Corbyn refused to walk into his trap.
 
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Hmmm...didn't he also take a risk in assuming that Corbyn wouldn't agree to the general election? If they had said yes, then the Tories would then have to worry about the Brexit Party peeling off votes from them.

But he'd have been in a position to time the election for post-Brexit, and I strongly suspect that that is exactly what he would have done.

Interesting times. Too interesting.
 
As far as the poll numbers go if I recall rightly May had a bigger lead when she called an election and proceeded to lose 30 seats? The reality for Johnson is that even if he engineers a No Deal Brexit the election can't happen until after people have had a chance to experience the consequences and a poll lead could evaporate pretty quickly in those circumstances.
 
Hmmm... to be honest, I don’t much trust anything that Cameron has to say either in terms of how he will try to spin things to his advantage or in terms of his ability to read the political landscape. He was the guy who got us into this mess and resigned immediately after doing it even as he had promised to negotiate a Brexit if Remain lost.

I don't have a high opinion of Cameron, to say the least, but when he says that Johnson is a liar who is wholly using Brexit to further his own career, I think we can probably assume a certain degree of truth. Feels to me more like it falls into the "well, duh" category than the "this seems unlikely" one.
 
I don't have a high opinion of Cameron, to say the least, but when he says that Johnson is a liar who is wholly using Brexit to further his own career, I think we can probably assume a certain degree of truth. Feels to me more like it falls into the "well, duh" category than the "this seems unlikely" one.

Oh, in terms of Boris Johnson being a lying opportunist, I don't need Cameron to tell me that. It's blindingly obvious. But I really don't expect to get any insight whatsoever about Johnson's masterplan from Cameron.
 
You don't have to be in court to be found in contempt. It includes "willful failure to obey an order of the court."

What I mean is he wouldn't have a court order at the point he sent the second letter. He wouldn't be "in court" as he wouldn't be sued for it before he sent it.

But why would the court order him not to send the second letter and hold him in contempt? That is what I'm asking for the applicable case law.
 
It actually looks kind of as if maybe if you squint a little that Bojo is TRYING to get the court to force him to ask for the extension. The threats of a second prorogation coming out today seem to be more or less a taunt to the Supreme Court.

There are of course rumours of a 'secret plan' that gets Bojo out of all this but that may well be of the same sort as the 'technological solutions' that solve the backstop - i.e. imaginary
 
It actually looks kind of as if maybe if you squint a little that Bojo is TRYING to get the court to force him to ask for the extension. The threats of a second prorogation coming out today seem to be more or less a taunt to the Supreme Court.

There are of course rumours of a 'secret plan' that gets Bojo out of all this but that may well be of the same sort as the 'technological solutions' that solve the backstop - i.e. imaginary

Maybe he is going to stun everyone with GATT 24.
 
Not as strong as the headline figures suggest. The following makes interesting reading:

Johnson is sure he would win an election. A closer look at the polls says otherwise

From the article;

"An average of polls thus far in September shows the Conservatives on 33% (-11 points since 2017), Labour on 26% (-15), the Lib Dems on 18% (+10), the Brexit party on 12% (+12), the Greens on 5% (+3) and the SNP on 4% (+1).

On a “universal” swing (ie Labour losing 15 points in each seat, the Tories losing 11 points in each seat, etc), the Conservatives would win 315 seats (-2), Labour 228 (-34), the SNP 50 (+15), the Lib Dems 32 (+20), Plaid Cymru four (-), the Brexit party one (+1) and the Green party one (-)."

That would be a tie. Brexit and the Tories would be a majority of 1. That also misses out the DUP.

I think Johnson's attitude means he regards that as fine, the people back him.
 
I would suspect that the youth vote is disproportionately represented (ie lower) in those polls. I can see there being a very strong push by the youngsters (under 22) at a grassroots level to get their fellow youngsters to vote, and those votes will be primarily split between Labour, LibDems and Green party.
 
I would suspect that the youth vote is disproportionately represented (ie lower) in those polls. I can see there being a very strong push by the youngsters (under 22) at a grassroots level to get their fellow youngsters to vote, and those votes will be primarily split between Labour, LibDems and Green party.

Would you be interested in a signature bet on turnout?
 
As far as the poll numbers go if I recall rightly May had a bigger lead when she called an election and proceeded to lose 30 seats? The reality for Johnson is that even if he engineers a No Deal Brexit the election can't happen until after people have had a chance to experience the consequences and a poll lead could evaporate pretty quickly in those circumstances.

It is possible we will see the so called "Churchill" effect, if the UK leaves on the 31st October, in any following election.

The Brexit party will be redundant, and the Liberals have prematurely cornered themselves as a remain party. The electorate being sick of Brexit will not want to return to the subject but rather focus on the issues facing the country.

The focus on Brexit voters has often included immigration as being the main reason, but I remember hearing and reading that many in the North of England and Wales voted to leave as a big middle finger protest vote to a perceived London centric UK.

I do not think that the political antics over the last few years in London will have impressed these voters much.

In addition, Boris has recently promised all this money for extra police, NHS etc, out of nowhere, and it will be easy for others to propose a manifesto pledging extra spending based on these figures. Again, premature promises from BoJo who probably thought an early election was in the bag.

In the future hustings, debates and political broadcasts, the Tories would not be able to diss completely any proposed increased spending plans based on these figures by other parties leading up to election, since they will be admitting to the lies of their leader.

If anti London centric feelings remain strong and the Brexit Party and Liberals fall out of contention, Labour, even with Corbyn, might do surprisingly well. If Labour fights on poverty, social divides, North South differences then they could do much better than expected.
 
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I would suspect that the youth vote is disproportionately represented (ie lower) in those polls. I can see there being a very strong push by the youngsters (under 22) at a grassroots level to get their fellow youngsters to vote, and those votes will be primarily split between Labour, LibDems and Green party.

I hope you're right, but I wouldn't lay too much money on it: https://twitter.com/electoralcommuk/status/1115937488357425152?lang=en

A third of young people aged 18-34 are not registered to vote. You can register quickly, in just five minutes while waiting for the kettle to boil or running a bath.
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"Boris Johnson will tell the outgoing European commission president, Jean-Claude Juncker, on Monday that he will defy a new act of parliament and refuse to discuss or accept any offer to extend the UK’s membership even if a Brexit deal cannot be agreed, Downing Street said last night.

The prime minister’s hardline message to Brussels that he will take the UK out of the EU on 31 October, come what may ..." link

Is this maximum mayhem to pave the way for a post-31st election with the Brexit Party now sidelined? Is that the only objective, to secure his place in #10?
"Lock him up!"
 
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