Cont: Brexit: Now What? 9 Below Zero

[catsmate]

<drivel snip>

Every one of your "points" has been addressed before, usually many times because of habit of posting the name nonsense repetitively. You're either failing to take onboard these corrections or deliberately, and intentionally, ignoring them.

 

[Mojo]

Typical content-free post from you with the usual implied (sometimes explicit) insult.

And yet that’s the post you chose to reply to.

 

[Tolls]

Re: Sunderland and Nissan.

CE is also going to be a minor issue for them compared to the bloody tariffs.
It's the tariffs implicit in a No Deal scenario that they are saying will cause them to rethink whether it's worth keeping the factory there.

I mean, we can continue to discuss how a CE mark will work post-Brexit, but that is not relevant to what the people at Nissan are concerned about.

 

[The Don]

Re: Sunderland and Nissan.

CE is also going to be a minor issue for them compared to the bloody tariffs.
It's the tariffs implicit in a No Deal scenario that they are saying will cause them to rethink whether it's worth keeping the factory there.

I mean, we can continue to discuss how a CE mark will work post-Brexit, but that is not relevant to what the people at Nissan are concerned about.

Tariffs are one thing and quotas are another, both are going to have a significant impact on the Sunderland factory. Nissan would likely much rather protect jobs in Japan and manufacture there and export to the EU. Japan now has a trade deal with the EU, the UK likely will not, the Sunderland factory is facing an uphill struggle.

 

[Vixen]

Re: Sunderland and Nissan.

CE is also going to be a minor issue for them compared to the bloody tariffs.
It's the tariffs implicit in a No Deal scenario that they are saying will cause them to rethink whether it's worth keeping the factory there.

I mean, we can continue to discuss how a CE mark will work post-Brexit, but that is not relevant to what the people at Nissan are concerned about.

AIUI non-EU countries have to apply for an EORI number and this is tied up in customs requirements and conformity to EU standards (for example, the country of origin for food; the UK is now scrapping that so people will not be able to tell if their chicken comes from the USA, where chlorination is standard but banned in the EU).

As for car imports: after December 2020:

European-built cars imported to the UK from 2021 are set to become around £1,500 more expensive after the government confirmed that these vehicles would be subject to a 10 per cent tariff from 1 January.

The Department for International Trade today announced its post-Brexit tariff regime, which will see cars built in EU countries subject to the same 10 per cent levy as those arriving from other nations.

The move would hit some of Britain's most popular cars, including best sellers like the Ford Fiesta, VW Golf and Mercedes-Benz A-Class.

This will be the case unless the Government negotiates a free trade agreement (FTA) with the EU between now and the end of the Brexit transition period, which is due to terminate on 31 December 2020.

Failure to secure an FTA means the UK will default to World Trade Organisation (WTO) terms on 1 January 2021, according to the UK Global Tariff document published on Tuesday,

This will end the zero per cent tariff on cars imported from EU nations and replace it with a 10 per cent levy.

Experts have already warned that in most cases the additional cost of tariffs will likely be passed on to British car buyers rather than absorbed by the manufacturers themselves.

Nissan in Sunderland are now saying they will stay in the UK - they have various business models, including pulling out - but I sense they are saying that to steady market nerves in a wait-and-see-approach.

 

[Mojo]

AIUI non-EU countries have to apply for an EORI number and this is tied up in customs requirements and conformity to EU standards (for example, the country of origin for food; the UK is now scrapping that so people will not be able to tell if their chicken comes from the USA, where chlorination is standard but banned in the EU).

As for car imports: after December 2020:

European-built cars imported to the UK from 2021 are set to become around £1,500 more expensive after the government confirmed that these vehicles would be subject to a 10 per cent tariff from 1 January.

I wonder if the government will take the Trump approach and tell us that the tariffs are being paid by the EU.

 

[Mojo]

No-deal Brexit would be 'major block' to UK's recovery, warns CBI

 

[catsmate]

No-deal Brexit would be 'major block' to UK's recovery, warns CBI

Yeah, but we've seen how Brexiteers deal with facts and experts. The self-delusion is strong.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Taking back control

The government is expected to apply much less rigorous EU border checks on imports than it initially had planned, after the Brexit transition period finishes at the end of this year.

The Financial Times reports ministers have abandoned plans to introduce full checks after pressure from businesses.

A government source told the BBC it would take a "pragmatic and flexible approach" due to coronavirus.

ETA: Sorry, forgot the link

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53018020

 

[P.J. Denyer]

Taking back control

There you have it, if you can't do your job just tell your boss you're taking a "pragmatic and flexible" approach to your work!

 

[Lothian]

Taking back control



ETA: Sorry, forgot the link

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53018020

I don't think that is strictly correct. Checks and controls will be full and will be from the end of transition. What has been eased is the paperwork, with business allowed time to submit it after import for the first 6 months. Thereafter it will need to be submitted before.

In other news the Government have realised after announcing back in Feb that there will be border controls from the end of transition that they don't have the infrastructure to allow controls to take place. They will be urgently discussing with ports over the next few weeks what infrastructure is required and whether new inland sites will be needed.

 

[Pixel42]

https://mobile.twitter.com/i/web/status/1271398188621193222

Michael Gove tweets:

I just chaired a constructive EU Joint Committee meeting with
@MarosSefcovic


I formally confirmed the UK will not extend the transition period & the moment for extension has now passed. On 1 January 2021 we will take back control and regain our political & economic independence

I thought we had another two weeks?

 

[Lukraak_Sisser]

https://mobile.twitter.com/i/web/status/1271398188621193222

Michael Gove tweets:



I thought we had another two weeks?

And on 2nd of Jan they'll sell the control to the US?

 

[The Don]

And on 2nd of Jan they'll sell the control to the US?

It'll be a "free" gift. We will unconditionally accept whatever terms the US wants so that the UK government can have a face saving trade deal to deflect attention from the chaos resulting from a no deal Brexit.

 

[Andy_Ross]

"The consumer can decide" of course given the US are demanding that we remove labelling of origin from our standards, the consumer will have absolutely no way of knowing and the Defra minister knows that full well. How are we supposed to tell then?

 

[Darat]

"The consumer can decide" of course given the US are demanding that we remove labelling of origin from our standards, the consumer will have absolutely no way of knowing and the Defra minister knows that full well. How are we supposed to tell then?

Easy, did you fall ill after eating the chicken...

 

[P.J. Denyer]

"The consumer can decide" of course given the US are demanding that we remove labelling of origin from our standards, the consumer will have absolutely no way of knowing and the Defra minister knows that full well. How are we supposed to tell then?

"At a time when our economy is already stuffed and is about to take a second kicking we'll allow you to undercut prices against suppliers meeting our own standards then let buyers who will probably be facing paycuts and job losses decide if they want to buy a cheap or premium product"

Of course that's assuming the saving is passed on to the consumer...

Give it time and you'll be able to make a consumer decision between those expensive chimney brushes or sending a good, cheap, British six year old up to clean your flue.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Easy, did you fall ill after eating the chicken...

Does your dinner smell like a swimming pool?

 

[jimbob]

Not every item has to be inspected. The product has to be designed, built, and (sometimes depending on the product) samples have to be tested to ensure compliance. After that, only random samples are inspected. Surely you don't think there are a team of EU inspectors checking every single toaster, iPhone, TV, and clock imported to the EU from, say, China.

and has been pointed out, the parts need to be made according to EU standards and certified. This is why Mark Francois was so misguided with his talk about "blinking first".

There is a huge amount of boring technical detail needed to be sorted out for certifications etc to enable modern cross-border trade to work as we expect. Without this, there will be delays and uncertainty in supply, and that will put the UK at a huge disadvantage, probably more than the unpredictable increase in cost.

If you have factories all round the world, and one is in the UK but because of the lack of attention to the boring technical details, you are not sure whether the cars it produces would be certified as being suitable for sale in their main market from 1st Jan, 2021, are you going to invest in that factory, or start contingency planning?


If you are running a factory and you have a choice of two widget suppliers. One has a stable supply and is 1% cheaper, the other is 1% more expensive, but is often unlikely to fulfil your orders on time due to their supply chain having issues, which are you going to order as a regular supplier?

No-deal Brexit will be an absolute disaster.

 

[SezMe]

We're abut half-way from February first and December 31. Is there a summary piece anywhere on where the negotiations stand? Is there mandatory, regular reporting so that UKers can know how it's going? Does the EU do any reporting on progress from their perspective?

Brexit just doesn't get much coverage here in the colonies lately. I just wonder how things are proceeding.