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Matthew Best said:
Meanwhile.....

A Brexiteer who was forced to wait in an immigration queue at an EU airport in Amsterdam has complained that "this isn’t the Brexit I voted for”.

Colin Browning, who described himself as one of the 17.4 million people who voted for Brexit, said he was forced to wait for nearly an hour at Amsterdam Airport Schiphol before his passport was checked.

“Absolutely disgusting service at Schiphol airport. 55 minutes we have been stood in the immigration queue. This isn’t the Brexit I voted for,” he wrote on Twitter.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...teer-amsterdam-airport-schiphol-a9335281.html
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But he's right. He was promised, by the people now running the country, a Brexit in which we got all the benefits and none of the costs of membership, that German car makers would ensure that we got everything we wanted in the easiest deal in history.

If he's realising he was lied to it's a good thing. Shame it wasn't earlier, a lot earlier, but the ire needs to be aimed at the people who've lied, not the people who fell for the lies.
 
P.J. Denyer said:
If he's realising he was lied to it's a good thing. Shame it wasn't earlier, a lot earlier, but the ire needs to be aimed at the people who've lied, not the people who fell for the lies.
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Sorry, but no. In a democracy it is the responsibility of every voter to properly inform themselves about the issues and people they are voting for. It really isn't that difficult to do. If they can't be bothered to do that, if they happily swallow the most transparent of lies simply because they appeal to their prejudices, they are responsible for the inevitable consequences.
 
Pixel42 said:
Sorry, but no. In a democracy it is the responsibility of every voter to properly inform themselves about the issues and people they are voting for. It really isn't that difficult to do. If they can't be bothered to do that, if they happily swallow the most transparent of lies simply because they appeal to their prejudices, they are responsible for the inevitable consequences.
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When multiple newspapers and politicians from the party of government blatantly and consistently lie for decades, and even the more reliable news sources 'balance' experts with liars I can accept that people will be taken in. Casting stones at the people who fell for it might make those of us who didn't feel better but the real blame is with the people with power and influence who manipulated them for their own gain. I'd sooner that ire was aimed at the likes of Boris Johnson than some prat who believed Johnson's fairy tails.
 
Oh well. BoJo's cunning bridge between Scotland and Ireland is blown out of the water.

Bomb-disposal experts have warned it would be too dangerous to build a bridge between Northern Ireland and Scotland if it was to involve spanning the vast offshore munitions dump that lies on the most direct route over the Irish Sea.

The most direct route for Boris Johnson’s idea of a 28-mile bridge would involve crossing Beaufort’s Dyke, a trench that contains more than 1m tonnes of unexploded munitions, plus chemical weapons and radioactive waste.

Robin Rickard, a consultant with the explosive ordnance advisers Exord, said “any intrusive works such as piling associated with the construction of bridges would pose an unacceptable level of risk” because it could disturb the munitions on the seabed.
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https://www.theguardian.com/politic...dge-plan-too-dangerous?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Can't be done because of bombs dumped under the Irish Sea.

How many hospitals are we going to build? Forty!
How many more police? Twenty-thousand!
How many more nurses? Fifty-thousand!
How many more buses? Hahaha!
How many bridges? _DOH!
 
The Don said:
Even as an arch Rejoiner, this story doesn't pass the sniff test for me.

As has been pointed out, he is entitled to use the EU citizens immigration line at least until the end of the transition period. IMO this story is either made up entirely, or Colin Browning isn't a Brexiteer and carried out this stunt to point out how bad things may be.

The only thing missing is a closing "and the the whole airport stood up and cheered" :rolleyes:
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I have flown through there a few times. I have experienced realy long queues to get between terminals. I think we from the UK fly in to the same one and have to go through passport controls to another if we are flying out of the Schengen side of the airport. There are several queues to get through passport controls and when it is busy they manage the queues moving people around to minimise the queue length regardless of your passport.

So I believe it happened but not for the reasons he thinks.
 
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I'm wondering what exactly this man thinks he is owed by the Dutch.

Under what assumption is he working that makes him believe that he, a foreigner, is entitled to a damn thing while in a country not his own?
 
Pixel42 said:
Do you think he waited in the non-EU queue, despite being entitled to use the EU one as we're still in the transition period?

I really hope he did.
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I don't know. My knee jerk response was "This must be a Poe". But then I poked around his tweets. If it is a Poe, it is one of the more convoluted and pointless attempts.

Now in our office, we run a rather jolly environment. One of the daily amusements is the question "What is the latest insanity in the Mail or Express?" because one can be certain that they will have printed some utter insanity over which we can all have a hearty chortle.

Nevertheless, this "Colin" chappy seems to buy all of it hook line and sinker. His twistory quite plainly demonstrates it. At first glance, it seems like a parody account, but when one wastes the time to rummage through the history, it seems not.

You might ask if such people can possibly be real? Clearly, yes they are. If not, Brexit would never have happened in the first place.
 
He saw two signs, one saying "EU citizens go here" and another saying "Non-EU citizens this way". He chose according to his wits. (Much like he did in the referendum)
 
abaddon said:
I don't know. My knee jerk response was "This must be a Poe". But then I poked around his tweets. If it is a Poe, it is one of the more convoluted and pointless attempts.

Now in our office, we run a rather jolly environment. One of the daily amusements is the question "What is the latest insanity in the Mail or Express?" because one can be certain that they will have printed some utter insanity over which we can all have a hearty chortle.

Nevertheless, this "Colin" chappy seems to buy all of it hook line and sinker. His twistory quite plainly demonstrates it. At first glance, it seems like a parody account, but when one wastes the time to rummage through the history, it seems not.

You might ask if such people can possibly be real? Clearly, yes they are. If not, Brexit would never have happened in the first place.
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I saw someone on twitter saying, "he's very Brexity"

Which sums him up. The archetypal Brexit warrior
 
Another reality check for those who think that securing a deal with the EU will be the easiest trade deal ever:

France has warned Britain to expect a bruising battle with the EU in post-Brexit trade negotiations.

French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian predicted the two sides would "rip each other apart" as they strove for advantage in the negotiations.

He also said it would be tough for the UK to achieve its aim of agreeing a free trade deal by the end of the year.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51526784

It's hardly surprising when you consider that the new government has been very clear that "red tape" like workers' and environmental protections will be the first to be put to the sword once the transition period is over.

The EU has repeatedly warned that the UK cannot expect to enjoy continued "high quality" market access if it insists on diverging from EU social and environmental standards.
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Of course the "plan" as far as the architects of Brexit are concerned is to fail to get a comprehensive deal with Europe in the short term, have to get a "firesale" deal with the US and make lots of money out of the turmoil and uncertainty which will likely result. :mad:
 
Pixel42 said:
P.J. Denyer said:
If he's realising he was lied to it's a good thing. Shame it wasn't earlier, a lot earlier, but the ire needs to be aimed at the people who've lied, not the people who fell for the lies.
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Sorry, but no. In a democracy it is the responsibility of every voter to properly inform themselves about the issues and people they are voting for. It really isn't that difficult to do. If they can't be bothered to do that, if they happily swallow the most transparent of lies simply because they appeal to their prejudices, they are responsible for the inevitable consequences.
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On a purely abstract level I fall somewhere in the middle regarding this question. Or rather, I think it is best viewed on a case-by-case basis. Some lies are better concealed than others and require diligence which might be beyond the inclinations or even capabilities of some people.

Having said that, the lies and pitfalls that were and are accompanying Brexit were made abundantly clear from the onset, and Brexiters did little or nothing to bestir themselves as far as uncovering the facts. It was far less confusing for them to simply paint anyone with outlooks that were not 100% positive as ... I believe the phrase was ... "lying Remoaners".

But they will always have the fallback position that got them where they are to begin with.

Anything that happens which they don't like will be the EU's fault.

So in this case, Pixel42, I'm generally inclined to agree with you.
 
UK Brexit trade negotiator insists that the UK must be allowed to set its own rules and not abide by EU court judgements.

The UK "must have the ability to set laws that suit us," the PM's chief Brexit negotiator has said in a speech in Brussels.

David Frost has set out the UK's stance ahead of post-Brexit trade negotiations, due to start next month.

He dismissed the idea an EU court would have a role in future trade disputes, saying: "We only want what other independent countries have."
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51538491

Of course the UK can have its own rules and can refuse to be bound by EU court decisions. What it cannot have is that, and a comprehensive tariff-free trade deal.

It's like saying that you want to wear jeans, a t-shirt and trainers. You absolutely have the that right, it's just that you might not also be allowed in the night club (showing my age there - I know :o)
 
The mayor of London,*Sadiq Khan, has implored EU negotiators during a visit to Brussels to offer free movement for Britons through “associate citizenship”, as the “next best thing” to membership.

With the backing of the former prime minister of Belgium*Guy Verhofstadt, Khan called for the idea to be at the “the heart” of the negotiations over the future relationship.

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Khan told reporters that he believed the idea had merit. “There’s an opportunity for us to move forward with this and I’ve been pleased with the response and it gives hope to*London, as well as across our country”, he said, following meetings with EU officials.

The chances of such an initiative making headway in the negotiations are extremely limited as it would be unlawful under EU legislation.

There is unlikely to be appetite for any rewriting of treaties among the 27 member states, given the UK government’s hostile attitude to the*free movement of EU nationals who wish to live and work in Britain.
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https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ges-eu-to-offer-britons-associate-citizenship

This is what's called having your cake and eating it too. British people really have an inflated sense of importance.
 
Yes, Khan is just trying to save whatever can be saved for his constituents. It is difficult to see how this particular kite can fly, though. EU would want the same thing for it's members so should they be allowed to be "associate citizens" of the UK? That's just free movement by another name. Or is the idea that this should only apply to particular citizens who need it more than others? The end of free movement for everybody who isn't part of the elite...
 
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