Links to the information please.
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Because the EU wants a deal with the UK that minimises disruption. Currently we have hassle free trade with the EU. Canada EU trade is subject to lots of checks and paperwork.
The EU would prefer to have easier trade with the UK than they do with Canada. If the UK decides that it doesn't want alignment, fine the EU will just treat UK imports like they do Canadian ones. Not great for UK exporters but cutting your nose off to spite your face runs through our brexit strategy.
There is also the fact that the UK is a signatory to the Good Friday Agreement.
That was only important when the DUP votes were needed.
Yes please, I want links to information why the EU thinks it needs to impose more rules for a Canada-style deal with the UK than it does for its Canada-style deal with Canada.
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How do they know whether or not a product produced inside the EU has changed? How do they know whether or not a product produced in the US or China has changed? There is nothing different about the UK exit which changes that question.
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That’s not how any of this works. For example, you can make products in the EU that don’t conform to the CE standards. You can’t generally sell them within the EU, but you can sell them in other markets. The UK is simply saying that for products sold in their market, future standards may diverge. But products destined for the EU market will still have to pass EU standards. The UK isn’t somehow giving them a pass to follow different standards. Products made outside the EU for sale within the EU don’t have to go through any different process than products made inside the EU for sale in the EU.
Right. I was asking for links that you used to understand the EU's position.
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WT actual F?
Astonishing move by #10 today:
Silencing (elements of) the press? Seems to be right out of the Trump playbook:
"Political journalists walked out of No 10 Downing Street this afternoon in protest at the government planning to give a briefing on the EU only to selected reporters – banning The Mirror, i, Huffington Post, PoliticsHome, Independent and others from attending.
Reporters on the invited list were asked to stand on one side of a rug in the foyer of No 10, while those not allowed in were asked by security to stand on the other side.
After one of Boris Johnson’s most senior advisers, Lee Cain, told the banned reporters they must leave the building, the rest of the journalists decided to walk out rather than allow Downing Street to choose who scrutinises and reports on the government." link
Good for the rest of the journalists though.
Silencing (elements of) the press? Seems to be right out of the Trump playbook:
"Political journalists walked out of No 10 Downing Street this afternoon in protest at the government planning to give a briefing on the EU only to selected reporters – banning The Mirror, i, Huffington Post, PoliticsHome, Independent and others from attending.
Reporters on the invited list were asked to stand on one side of a rug in the foyer of No 10, while those not allowed in were asked by security to stand on the other side.
After one of Boris Johnson’s most senior advisers, Lee Cain, told the banned reporters they must leave the building, the rest of the journalists decided to walk out rather than allow Downing Street to choose who scrutinises and reports on the government." link
Good for the rest of the journalists though.
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The surprise is that they actually realized it was impossible for them to not perform customs checks if Brexit progressed under current terms. They seem to be trying to claim it’s a negotiating tactic, even though the EU clearly understood from the start that the UK must perform customs checks if it wasn’t part of the common customs area.
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EU: “If you are not part of the common customs area, customs checks at the border are inevitable“
UK: “But we don’t want customs checks at the border! That will hurt our manufacturing sector”
EU: “the stay in the CCA”
UK: “But we don’t want to stay in the CCA! ”
EU: “Then implement customs checks”
UK: “don’t wanna”
EU: “You do whatever you want, but if you are not part of the CCA we have no choice but to implement customs checks at ports and borders”
UK: “Ha! We’ll show you! If you don’t give us what we want we’ll start doing customs checks on products centering the UK!!”
EU: “ummmm, ok”
Brexit voters: “Yeah! Get tough! This will show them!”
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51351914
"In his speech in Greenwich, London, the PM said: "We have often been told that we must choose between full access to the EU market, along with accepting its rules and courts on the Norway model, or an ambitious free trade agreement, which opens up markets and avoids the full panoply of EU regulation, on the example of Canada."
It would be handy to have an example of how the UK can sell a product or service in the EU, without following EU rules and regulations on that product or service.
What does Canada sell to the EU that does not follow EU rules and regulations?
"In his speech in Greenwich, London, the PM said: "We have often been told that we must choose between full access to the EU market, along with accepting its rules and courts on the Norway model, or an ambitious free trade agreement, which opens up markets and avoids the full panoply of EU regulation, on the example of Canada."
It would be handy to have an example of how the UK can sell a product or service in the EU, without following EU rules and regulations on that product or service.
What does Canada sell to the EU that does not follow EU rules and regulations?
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There are lots of things the EU would negotiate on, but this was never one of them. Without customs checks you can’t have Country of Origin rules. Without CoO rules it becomes almost impossible to negotiate trade deals.
What probabaly happened here is that the very first item that came up in their attempts to negotiate a trade agreement with the US was how to deal with country of origin, and the US said there was no possible deal unless the UK had customs checks that could document country of origin for items and subcomponents of items shipped to the US.
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According to this summary of the Canada deal, Canada does have to comply with EU rules and regulations when trading;
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-45633592
"There is also co-operation between the two countries on standards, so a piece of equipment made in an EU country can go through all its safety and quality checks there, without needing to have them repeated in Canada - and vice versa."
"And it aligns Canadian rules in some areas of copyright and patents with those of the EU."
"Ceta protects EU "geographical indications", meaning for example that you can only make Parma ham in Italy and camembert cheese in France, and Canada can't import something that calls itself camembert from any other country."
I am quite sure that Canada did far more adjustments than the EU did, since the EU is far larger and able to dictate terms. So Canadian products will have adjusted to follow EU safety rules far more than vice versa and I would think Canada adjusted its copyright laws more than the EU did to get alignment.
That should not really be an issue in the UK, since we start at a fully aligned position, where UK safety and copyright is the same as EU, or at least acceptable for trading.
What gets to be called Canadian maple syrup, Danish bacon and Stilton cheese should not really be affected.
So, unless Jonson is planning on deliberately moving the UK out of product alignment with the EU, then I do not see what the problem is.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-45633592
"There is also co-operation between the two countries on standards, so a piece of equipment made in an EU country can go through all its safety and quality checks there, without needing to have them repeated in Canada - and vice versa."
"And it aligns Canadian rules in some areas of copyright and patents with those of the EU."
"Ceta protects EU "geographical indications", meaning for example that you can only make Parma ham in Italy and camembert cheese in France, and Canada can't import something that calls itself camembert from any other country."
I am quite sure that Canada did far more adjustments than the EU did, since the EU is far larger and able to dictate terms. So Canadian products will have adjusted to follow EU safety rules far more than vice versa and I would think Canada adjusted its copyright laws more than the EU did to get alignment.
That should not really be an issue in the UK, since we start at a fully aligned position, where UK safety and copyright is the same as EU, or at least acceptable for trading.
What gets to be called Canadian maple syrup, Danish bacon and Stilton cheese should not really be affected.
So, unless Jonson is planning on deliberately moving the UK out of product alignment with the EU, then I do not see what the problem is.
abaddon
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You should. Somehow you have to transfer from being a Brit to being a Finn. Or vice versa as suits your various posts.
Perhaps a cloak might work better. I have a +6 Cloak of concealment for sale if you play RPG's.
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